From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27238 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2022 18:57:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Nov 2022 18:57:05 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E3E41DDF; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 04:56:58 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oa1-f42.google.com (mail-oa1-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 198B041DDB for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2022 04:56:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oa1-f42.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-12c8312131fso17247160fac.4 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2022 10:56:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=WvhfSsVg5ZNY9gh+urIFmnsa+uUxYgRDiCyN9DrOFrc=; b=fI64CAZMUy8I2PXf1wlDwMdsIqHmeY9BkQqa/JBLfPaZXBgR4sGFUMjYZBY8lrwenN TsuR9fLvImtFMfrkGlio/o8dK9tFPXb4Ro0C4L4yHA57FalE8gyrSFGLdzh/73PNiYci VYOU5MZpU8h5JkY8OJ6v1wZK6xU5EJPtQIe6xon2TxZ5wtAxMbMQNCZ7ySYmzQpgRaOM BKP3+jTZHiYxiWnBC8aLMWms8kl4IkUzj6U/FJHiHowzAteRa66B+j6MqOdKjzeygDp2 VzIpCSuztJPdd0ohEbCSoZrNHTL8t0j7kF8s/63+JQ1HBRB1pKjZBWqleb3DUAeEOGKT lPlg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=WvhfSsVg5ZNY9gh+urIFmnsa+uUxYgRDiCyN9DrOFrc=; b=hNufeaTCeKbNydjd2SDBG8tmVBcMtfKreP/e2RpG4uVFU3ogHOU8ZJVaENBKITT0hb jmi2NI9CTXlsziP2zGFB2Oy0bKex6xgQBrReey7QXF4JiMd2CbVqJCALGsWXPzK3s56C h/iwivWCJRREq8JqQWjWPbXHhxgzu23IkuG8ixlcWPtOPZtNyaH1nPwe7dKgpZAYKbzP ChaMNwbjWXN057a//wg/Ynhgt8dS40p49rQcOQIGGMFEjz0bh0DgIUw/AaGQf32euMhe fv48LwfCkbsayGzBn6JhHX9zitsVDToYDoYGm3eNT4Pjw7GWjO/sDtv3arfFTqqoY27Q thgg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf1svN08VhQUB0dgwQ70Qk9xpX+yzvrXRqTos96CsmKe4OilEikm uoTd+5LiwOTm0eZXNzIzVwssUstZMe80MQ2oy+VKcaK9 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7QkuDvys9xTUAkgl/ESTarehvEny4vVG0EgIDgHyP4LX5IHeKY8aUHVP5fl87NHvFgHKppD6srBPN+oz4T93U= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:96a3:b0:13b:b19:fbf with SMTP id o35-20020a05687096a300b0013b0b190fbfmr34330719oaq.175.1667933748132; Tue, 08 Nov 2022 10:55:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <992562BA-E21F-4542-A50B-6CFE8F7ACE86@planet.nl> <20221011134842.GA11780@mcvoy.com> <20221011195447.GI11780@mcvoy.com> <8583490b-c7cc-4633-b506-2f16335fd3e2@home.arpa> <20221011201025.GJ11780@mcvoy.com> <513e8a46-bd31-420a-bfdf-b59451f89c8d@home.arpa> <0db171e4-7efe-8c00-bb30-a6f914cf9911@technologists.com> In-Reply-To: From: Marc Donner Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2022 13:55:36 -0500 Message-ID: To: Warner Losh Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000910a4d05ecfa1656" Message-ID-Hash: EJEVO3EDAIFJDMPJYNW3N2BGFUMNT2E2 X-Message-ID-Hash: EJEVO3EDAIFJDMPJYNW3N2BGFUMNT2E2 X-MailFrom: marc.donner@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: LOC [was Re: Re: Re.: Princeton's "Unix: An Oral History": who was in the team in "The Attic"? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000910a4d05ecfa1656 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My buds in the SRE community confirm that Twitter laid off the entire SRE team, since of course they didn't write enough code. Good luck with keeping the system up. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D nygeek.net mindthegapdialogs.com/home On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:52 PM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 2:34 PM Charles H Sauer (he/him) < > sauer@technologists.com> wrote: > >> On 10/11/2022 3:14 PM, Michael Kj=C3=B6rling wrote: >> > On 11 Oct 2022 13:10 -0700, from lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy): >> >>> Isn't it relatively well established, though, that IBM culture at >> >>> least for a very long time put heavy emphasis on counting lines of >> >>> source code, and that more SLOC was considered to be better? >> >> >> >> That's just stupid. >> > >> > You're getting no argument from me there. >> > >> >> It was likely true that some parts of IBM put heavy emphasis on LOC, but >> as Marc points out, that wasn't true in Research. I don't remember heavy >> LOC emphasis in AIX groups, and I suspect even in Boca (OS/2) there was >> not "heavy" emphasis. >> > > Speaking of "just stupid" > > Word on the street is that Elon Musk stack ranked the engineers by lines > of code > over the last year (source: https://ma.nu/blog/bye-twitter) and layed off > the bottom > performers in terms of LoC... > > Not 100% sure this is legit, since some tweets about it have been deleted= . > > Warners > --000000000000910a4d05ecfa1656 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My buds in the SRE community confirm that Twitt= er laid off the entire SRE team, since of course they didn't write enou= gh code.=C2=A0 Good luck with keeping=C2=A0the system up.


On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:52 PM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
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On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 2:34 PM Charles H Sauer (he/him) <sauer@technologists.com<= /a>> wrote:
O= n 10/11/2022 3:14 PM, Michael Kj=C3=B6rling wrote:
> On 11 Oct 2022 13:10 -0700, from lm@mcvoy.com (Larry McVoy):
>>> Isn't it relatively well established, though, that IBM cul= ture at
>>> least for a very long time put heavy emphasis on counting line= s of
>>> source code, and that more SLOC was considered to be better? >>
>> That's just stupid.
>
> You're getting no argument from me there.
>

It was likely true that some parts of IBM put heavy emphasis on LOC, but as Marc points out, that wasn't true in Research. I don't remember = heavy
LOC emphasis in AIX groups, and I suspect even in Boca (OS/2) there was not "heavy" emphasis.

Speakin= g of "just stupid"

Word on the street is= that Elon Musk stack ranked the engineers by lines of code
over = the last year (source:=C2=A0https://ma.nu/blog/bye-twitter) and layed off the bottom<= /div>
performers in terms of LoC...

Not 100% s= ure this is legit, since some tweets about it have been deleted.
=
Warners=C2=A0
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