From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 13581 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2022 21:38:06 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Dec 2022 21:38:06 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEEB41C0C; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 07:37:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oi1-f169.google.com (mail-oi1-f169.google.com [209.85.167.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0439841C0B for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 07:37:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oi1-f169.google.com with SMTP id r11so8973193oie.13 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 13:37:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=5/e6H6b5ODVirqMfu1VEc+CXl0DgXiLpJ4VVOtPAzyA=; b=qAmX0tWxyWModTagsNqyGsEYQ8cMVbNmzAW9UhuVRNdX42QIR/z1r9+y8e1CKdzuPW QNe9PFH+LtJVKtHOV/9qvxsQO+wLPZ/bFzGyatoD52m3n13DFz8iiULpZCqJQdGWb89p F81KAoKO9IkFDlzzwLB9FeitsrFZeAPDhfqevvrZXjDO5NnWb6hxLM7Y8oaV3Yr9Xmk8 Cvy13HXaVK0iemU5bXCHD9tXnOnPTYU1z6sFzNydoKXmBovFVSL8qm0WYUs6LScTGsXe ENyAhW/mNolh4ly2pR412BPfBb/soYMsQ4IzP3clBph4i5jvupDvbXm86z+8GYMDWv+c +jng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=5/e6H6b5ODVirqMfu1VEc+CXl0DgXiLpJ4VVOtPAzyA=; b=ObWHTp/ucDpXb9MZapWh4pX+9v1KK+d+6PAkocWGF0IQ8tndqqJQq7CCJ+9SGrXYBt wdM0mGx4Lk57NzQJJp0HifQrZfBsFe6jASx1awcCe1QgsbRRyaPrQKWjqaOYAxn7rxDi ej9RUTYOJgqtwNoBK3pRSq9KqFJO2XK7nuWMYNAn7vkhfQPV7A75WjxZTwAsdWDtcNMu 9ZV+gshYWSXASp22/G1G7uJJCuvrKk2YGDwiWhWQdGwCPA3eO+lC6ZYmFAAR7J8DWlBV 3Rn0ie9M7ylhJXIqg+COTWjpSIW/GN1ZXWgop0+8yOJyA3ilxu+9TKKHUYittOm0zZt2 Y04w== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pm718NJjOu4FTdLCfVav3U/j6nXPnDWlNzfFiCGqMvsV7ak4bH6 m3TrxpFbkWpvIGsF1XUMVkFQ6CTr/0/3C3k5Mj9ZOQyjUW0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4cbgOPjNpoBiyp5pww8HPsqK6gINAKZ10cpIFmrUN2CQj61mh37ztEEDWwc4LSqewUcVAvq0lNI/J5HdvhQWE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:18:b0:359:b4bd:890a with SMTP id u24-20020a056808001800b00359b4bd890amr1142875oic.175.1671485784059; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 13:36:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202212191738.2BJHcLBF024793@ultimate.com> In-Reply-To: <202212191738.2BJHcLBF024793@ultimate.com> From: Marc Donner Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 16:36:13 -0500 Message-ID: To: Phil Budne Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000067f3d105f0351c2a" Message-ID-Hash: NL37NJ7GLPRVZNWJVOMAJM36W37Y5YLM X-Message-ID-Hash: NL37NJ7GLPRVZNWJVOMAJM36W37Y5YLM X-MailFrom: marc.donner@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: UNIX on (not quite bare) System/370 List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000067f3d105f0351c2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" There was a track of USENIX 1986 called "UNIX on Big Iron." Peter Capek of IBM was the chair and Gene Miya and Jim Lipkis rounded out the program committee. The proceedings are available. Program included: - User Requirements for Future-nix - Gene Miya - Experience with Large Applications on UNIX - Bob Bilyeu - UNIX Scheduling for Large Systems - Jeffrey Straathof, Ashok Thareja, Ashok Agrawal - A Straightforward Implementation of a 4.2BSD on a High Performance Multiprocessor - Dave Probert - Porting UNIX to the System/370 Extended Architecture - Joseph R Eykholt - Full Duplex Support for Mainframes - Don Sterk - Concentrix -- A UNIX for the Alliant Multiprocessor - Jack Test - A User-Tunable Multiprocessor Schedule - Herb Jacobs - Considerations for Massively Parallel UNIX Systems on the NYU Ultracomputer and the IBM RP3 - Jan Edler, Alan Jottlieb, Jim Lipkis - UNIX of CTSS for the Cray-1, Cray X-MP, and Cray-2 Supercomputers - Karl Auerbach, Robin O'Neill - Experience Porting System V to the Cray 2 - Tim Hoel ===== nygeek.net mindthegapdialogs.com/home On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12:38 PM Phil Budne wrote: > The October 1984 BSTJ article by Felton, Miller and Milner > https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/otherports/ibm.pdf > > Describes an AT&T port of UNIX to System/370 using TSS/370 > underpinnings as the "Resident System Supervisor" and used as the 5ESS > switching system development environment. > > I also found mention at http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/ch106.x09 > chapter 9 of http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/ with footnote 96: > > Ian Johnstone, who had been the tutor at University of New > South Wales working with Professor John Lions, was one of the > researchers invited to Bell Labs. He managed the completion at > AT&T Bell Labs of the port of Unix to the IBM 370 computer. See > "Unix on Big Iron" by Ian Johnstone and Steve Rosenthal, UNIX > Review, October, 1984, p. 26. Johnstone also led the group that did > the port to the AT&T 2B20A multiprocessor system. > > I found > > https://ia902801.us.archive.org/3/items/Unix_Review_1984_Oct.pdf/Unix_Review_1984_Oct.pdf > "BIG UNIX: The Whys and Wherefores" (pdf p.24), which only offers > rationale. > > Also: > > "IBM's own involvement in Unix can be dated to 1979, when it > assisted Bell Labs in doing its own Unix port to the 370 (to > be used as a build host for the 5ESS switch's software). In > the process, IBM made modifications to the TSS/370 hypervisor > to better support Unix.[12]" > at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX#cite_ref-att-s370-unix_12-0 > > Is there any other surviving documentation about the system? > Any recall of what branch of AT&T UNIX it was based on? > > Thanks! > Phil > > --00000000000067f3d105f0351c2a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There was a track of USENIX=C2=A01986 called &q= uot;UNIX on Big Iron."=C2=A0 Peter Capek of IBM was the chair and Gene= Miya and Jim Lipkis rounded out the program committee.=C2=A0 The proceedin= gs are available.

Program included:
  • User Requirements for Future-nix - Gene Miya
  • = Experience with Large Applications on UNIX - Bob Bilyeu
  • UNIX Schedu= ling for Large Systems - Jeffrey Straathof, Ashok Thareja, Ashok Agrawal
  • A Straightforward Implementation of a 4.2BSD on a High Performance Mu= ltiprocessor - Dave Probert
  • Porting UNIX to the System/370 Extended= Architecture - Joseph R Eykholt
  • Full Duplex Support for Mainframes= - Don Sterk
  • Concentrix -- A UNIX for the Alliant Multiprocessor - = Jack Test
  • A User-Tunable Multiprocessor Schedule - Herb Jacobs
    • =
  • Considerations for Massively Parallel UNIX Systems on the NYU Ultracomp= uter and the IBM RP3 - Jan Edler, Alan Jottlieb, Jim Lipkis
  • UNIX of= CTSS for the Cray-1, Cray X-MP, and Cray-2 Supercomputers - Karl Auerbach,= Robin O'Neill
  • Experience Porting System V to the Cray 2 - Tim = Hoel


On Mon, Dec 19, 2022 at 12= :38 PM Phil Budne <phil@ultimate.co= m> wrote:
The October 1984 BSTJ article by Felton, Miller and Milner
https://www.bell-labs.com/usr/dmr/www/otherp= orts/ibm.pdf

Describes an AT&T port of UNIX to System/370 using TSS/370
underpinnings as the "Resident System Supervisor" and used as the= 5ESS
switching system development environment.

I also found mention at http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/ch106= .x09
chapter 9 of http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/ with footnote 96:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ian Johnstone, who had been the tutor at University of= New
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 South Wales working with Professor John Lions, was one= of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 researchers invited to Bell Labs. He managed the compl= etion at
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 AT&T Bell Labs of the port of Unix to the IBM 370 = computer. See
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Unix on Big Iron" by Ian Johnstone and Stev= e Rosenthal, UNIX
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Review, October, 1984, p. 26. Johnstone also led the g= roup that did
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the port to the AT&T 2B20A multiprocessor system.<= br>
I found
https://ia9= 02801.us.archive.org/3/items/Unix_Review_1984_Oct.pdf/Unix_Review_1984_Oct.= pdf
"BIG UNIX: The Whys and Wherefores" (pdf p.24), which only offers= rationale.

Also:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "IBM's own involvement in Unix can be = dated to 1979, when it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 assisted Bell Labs in doing its own Unix port t= o the 370 (to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 be used as a build host for the 5ESS switch'= ;s software). In
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the process, IBM made modifications to the TSS/= 370 hypervisor
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 to better support Unix.[12]"
at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IB= M_AIX#cite_ref-att-s370-unix_12-0

Is there any other surviving documentation about the system?
Any recall of what branch of AT&T UNIX it was based on?

Thanks!
Phil

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