From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 19729 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2022 19:09:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jul 2022 19:09:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97A7140D38; Sun, 3 Jul 2022 05:09:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pg1-f171.google.com (mail-pg1-f171.google.com [209.85.215.171]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D96540D37 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2022 05:09:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pg1-f171.google.com with SMTP id 145so5321589pga.12 for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2022 12:09:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IPknYgfIvXe3ATJ7BQvr07gv+tbsoi3FpVlcfyoFNIM=; b=WWEt+gFejVVJw5M2sEgxVNqTyPyz8TRHWmVHbO5els/t8fWEDdQ94sr7LT1a/qndMv qiRTDr1xclgj9gngP64X3pGJAM4gClzSJ+mSomWRf06zJ8z4eJGD6VLqeedWQjoUUPXU rUqyI1352mAK6jcjwB2gC3oQ5AWNwvD97u26cPN+2iuHwypXHkKITjhxVTl9ZtgovJ2y qHtcj5LQbRn0Y7Y4LKkaP8hMkkM7V67bIrTjNcx+GL8Sm5k7ijFaVX+2XxA1WNUoiukS ZmVgV03gzMu0u/Q3D2kwtnCbm1N8ynGHE1ei9jMaxIoHDDIzYE/WR50eFpaN7VDwA24/ TMxA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IPknYgfIvXe3ATJ7BQvr07gv+tbsoi3FpVlcfyoFNIM=; b=klGc+Hbsovf8oz+qJy1V7Tk3hUGbjv6pZlh2xqB99fMjmtX+hkhT5q7xiKE2sjwt0W p+23mn/0T8zyl4w5XveEiGAKv1TaQpY5I5yg/iVxHM3at8WEISVa1zpYsOVXpmI2NmQE 5tIdSm4EtCTwsCYVu7Ahfx0rrcSJin90ht2p0v0RSF6BMK/XNd2xKvpXw83ZD+nbeLEy pf0E9r7a75774K+iHb+ZdkSpY36mRVpXtrnAhvm8pPyYzX3J6qc7YC9aAENYuzb0ea/8 l1ntVd2kYYZRiO/twTsPIRiEDney9AdGJcOTBoc+JQmym6PnsiDMWbSw4tO4BgZdgRSE gHBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora8Eewug0goJKIuoAeuuyNXA2yibbxjTZNioH079aGSC+fgt9Wdf YcEVYDCqjYHVyhKmPdFd9T/n3e7Z6DihsxyQZrLy1zQE X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1ve3voDsymEcrNkYLnBvRlwnm18Ln4XymbNH+iEpdqtboLeL/Ut6Mi2h/15SQWPCV0OycJHU/G1R/6qITWu6QA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:15c1:b0:525:2db4:2a2c with SMTP id o1-20020a056a0015c100b005252db42a2cmr25934276pfu.30.1656788886372; Sat, 02 Jul 2022 12:08:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Marc Donner Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 15:07:55 -0400 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000a494b05e2d73952" Message-ID-Hash: CFTNS6BROOAQB77DZ5TXT6T4LW6ZDGOQ X-Message-ID-Hash: CFTNS6BROOAQB77DZ5TXT6T4LW6ZDGOQ X-MailFrom: marc.donner@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Thoughts on Licenses List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000000a494b05e2d73952 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I would call that top level directory "metadata" ... the licensing stuff is quite relevant to the owner and operator of the system, but not directly relevant to any of its actual content or function. ===== nygeek.net mindthegapdialogs.com/home On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 2:17 PM Clem Cole wrote: > As part of some of simh work, I've been immersed in some licensing > discussions. Thanks for the V8-10, Plan-9 and Inferno notes - they are > relevant. > > Anyway, WRT to TUHS, I'm thinking that at least in the case of the Unix > style bits, I propose a small change to Waren's top-level directory. Add > a new dir called something like 'Legal Docs' or 'Copyrights+Licenses'. > Then move the Caldera document and Warren's current note into that area. > Then add copies of anything we can collect like the Dan Cross's V8-10, > anything WRT to Plan9/Inferno or anything we from the UNIX world - such as > something Sun, DEC or HP or like might have added. Maybe add a > subdirectory with the AT&T/USL case details. And maybe add a > sub-directory with known FOSS licenses used by the UNIX community and add a > copy of the 3-clause BSD and maybe even the two GPLs. > > Then update the README in the current top-level dir. Adding to the > contents something like "*the IP contained on this website is covered by > different licenses depending on the specific IP. Copies of these can be > found with the source code itself, but have also been all collected > together in the top-level directory: ...*." > > I think these all have both historical values, as well as practical > values. As I said, I was not sure myself and I think other would be less > ignorant if they could find it all easily. In the case of the practical, > a for instance, in an email with some lawyers last week, I had pointed them > at the Caldera document. I'ld have loved to have been able to say look in > this directory. The Caldera and later Nokia Licenses are what we are > considering as examples. > > Thoughts? > --0000000000000a494b05e2d73952 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would call that top level directory "met= adata" ... the licensing stuff is quite relevant to the owner and oper= ator of the system, but not directly relevant to any of its actual content = or function.


On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 2:1= 7 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> w= rote:
As part of some of simh work, I've been immersed in some li= censing discussions.=C2=A0 Thanks for the V8-10, Plan-9 and Inferno notes -= they are relevant.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Anyway, WRT to TUHS, = I'm thinking that at least=C2=A0in the case of the Unix style bits, I p= ropose a small change to Waren's top-level directory.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Add a= new dir called something like 'Legal Docs' or 'Copyrights+Lice= nses'.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Then move the Caldera document and Warren's curr= ent note into that area.=C2=A0 Then add copies of anything=C2=A0we can coll= ect like the Dan Cross's V8-10, anything WRT to Plan9/Inferno or anythi= ng we from the UNIX world - such as something Sun, DEC or HP or like might = have added.=C2=A0 Maybe add a subdirectory with the AT&T/USL case detai= ls.=C2=A0 =C2=A0And maybe add a sub-directory with known FOSS licenses used= by the UNIX community and add a copy of the 3-clause BSD and maybe even th= e two GPLs.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Then update the README in the= current top-level dir.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Adding to the contents something like &= quot;the IP contained on this website is covered by different licenses d= epending on the specific IP.=C2=A0 Copies of these can be found with the so= urce code itself, but have also been all collected together in the top-leve= l directory: ...."

I think=C2=A0these all hav= e both=C2=A0historical=C2=A0values, as well as practical values.=C2=A0 As I= said, I was not sure myself and I think other would be less ignorant if th= ey could find it all easily.=C2=A0 =C2=A0In the=C2=A0case of the practical,= a for instance, in an email with some lawyers last week, I had pointed the= m at the Caldera document.=C2=A0 I'ld have loved to have been able to s= ay look in this directory.=C2=A0 The Caldera and later Nokia=C2=A0Licenses = are what we are considering as examples.

Thoughts?
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