From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12756 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2023 09:22:48 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 1 Aug 2023 09:22:48 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6197A40FAB; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 19:22:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ej1-x62f.google.com (mail-ej1-x62f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62f]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C52140FA7 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 19:22:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ej1-x62f.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-99bf1f632b8so601765766b.1 for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2023 02:22:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1690881749; x=1691486549; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3d6ju3Z20kN3iB+hpnkmm3Opldx5RuP6i8HqnKvQ4hA=; b=oAo2lsEky3PlpnQONOz7Y85qGy+opJOjD0sg5IZnGlZgpv9npoyANdfF8N1/w60+9H 6d1zTLMDg/iktfvSV2hGnhFgxxl+JZ8RORYGPIj98uEI05qM50ifohGknrjf3r2sXpCC qVBOf/+L0QEmcZhq/Ld0FTinrnbBeLfGMdJwpJJ77rCEqyXpD74r1xCQ9i+8Ax2IenMM FjGChAG3oYotuKQKTEU6fNQexpPsH7gkHI8ODaQzvx7r4obl/aCVSjeX/XK9OxrHfAg0 BZkfcgiVUp0RchJ0msY0U/7gm6Kl7Z44Vg2ROGSgl+3NA0BikxvQ7AYZ5xtzWqNoCMg0 QdYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1690881749; x=1691486549; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=3d6ju3Z20kN3iB+hpnkmm3Opldx5RuP6i8HqnKvQ4hA=; b=YezZYZHosT3oX4GbtVFgGHAsRlpsHyDMfUN0dmoY6ORAao42CoHKv+LHP5AJsGj4CX TmlLcHLpYaTbnGOv810V1LRbim+gOFcmVEPqT6BMNgMKGwyT2L5SxNYpPNPLyT0TzGrD jMjXdhpQQck1WQdi4qH+em2JZROpe90nX2ErHZ7ySkhgT5AwQtm/c4VMV80er38QC013 cfRmjHdygX0leasXoZ9VVC9a6Y+SOI7k2dUT+Oll2XaFHhMgStx85yPY2ZwVOaETJM/g 7pUdMhX+HKV6udr17YSifxhsHYdUpDPoTTrVnJAyz4wVzu3nhOCdQm6RAA39HWopQxrn Ln7g== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLZ3GdAZIVAR4SYkitPKjI9Wu1J5gss1epY2TVfd+1m9fTkMSn3T a/bXGslWf+vcckF4icd0ksscPXVvQChPi5nFidnU/y0+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlHxV81BmAMp4/i1eyN8Ewtc8OiRAB+XX5OZOOvMVAwtrq0+I1oHVTLLP1NUDGONcfVlS+DVw3eXxYt3GSp4mAg= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:7711:b0:991:bf04:2047 with SMTP id kw17-20020a170907771100b00991bf042047mr1976295ejc.14.1690881748719; Tue, 01 Aug 2023 02:22:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8246.1690761540@cesium.clock.org> In-Reply-To: <8246.1690761540@cesium.clock.org> From: Marc Donner Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:22:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Erik E. Fair" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fd5f210601d915a8" Message-ID-Hash: YZ2PV7TGXPIO6YHACYHZFRKWNJTYXEOE X-Message-ID-Hash: YZ2PV7TGXPIO6YHACYHZFRKWNJTYXEOE X-MailFrom: marc.donner@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Cool talk on Unix and Sendmail history, by Eric Allman List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000fd5f210601d915a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nathaniel (Mr Mime) Borenstein came up with something (atomicmail?) that was intended to be more functional than raw text but safer than free execution of unknown code. I disremember the details. I don=E2=80=99t thi= nk it ever got traction. On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 7:59 PM Erik E. Fair wrote: > > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:34:56 +1000 > From: George Michaelson > > [...] > > Execute on read is just awful. But, now we have HTML to track "th= ey > read it" through URL fetch. > > And then the utterly disastrous: JavaScript. It should be *eliminated* > from the WWW as the gross security violation it is. > > "don't run software from strangers", > > Erik Fair > --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D nygeek.net mindthegapdialogs.com/home --000000000000fd5f210601d915a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nathaniel (Mr Mime) Borenstein came up with something (at= omicmail?) that was intended to be more functional than raw text but safer = than free execution of unknown code.=C2=A0 I disremember the details.=C2=A0= I don=E2=80=99t think it ever got traction.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 7:= 59 PM Erik E. Fair <fair-tuhs@ne= tbsd.org> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:34:56 +1000
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [...]

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Execute on read is just awful. But, now we have= HTML to track "they
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 read it" through URL fetch.

And then the utterly disastrous: JavaScript. It should be *eliminated*
from the WWW as the gross security violation it is.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "don't run software from strangers&quo= t;,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Erik Fair
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