From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27816 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2023 06:03:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 Dec 2023 06:03:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB6543DCF; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 16:03:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-oa1-x2d.google.com (mail-oa1-x2d.google.com [IPv6:2001:4860:4864:20::2d]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 868CC43DCD for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2023 16:03:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-oa1-x2d.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-1fae23895c9so3696995fac.3 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 22:03:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1702361001; x=1702965801; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=cKIMWEZ3bIeiWEwRwWeQyAId+7wSG47roA3pgGZQ0ew=; b=PGIcCIOZrlkLx22u8UqxPV1QWiZURX6RzdBAT5IDZ1Q/mgxcz5jjC0myMpHiZxe5O1 98Ig1xn3BiOBL1PMPV9/SbMjltDzZy/jEDm6XOVSXr0RnQQBDG/MmEavwtlaCf2NtSw1 wzP6kAstpiDFlNvtBEkIievs+izCDv+p/9iAhQ7jl3E+kTegs0PvDR+5lgeIeSKxpt+R TysDGTHfpYRCbHtDtcQ3MFQ1AzIFI6Ndka5gxSepoBvxKqXljls4PDobigpkQk8NdElZ xBy8wacuVveyt0A2ymrDTH/w+xIgU7uWW+qSLAqeEvw98avIfbhquX9N0HUdXB2FC2/N dzoQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702361001; x=1702965801; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=cKIMWEZ3bIeiWEwRwWeQyAId+7wSG47roA3pgGZQ0ew=; b=VWiOdpW+8dgI90Zo+GLjLu+07n2+isTnli3EebuJ9lHfpo1QqHaPNKPFi2jdqlWDfo yV2J93DrwcIMyo9uzHbFVv3Eu14zJlK+DW54vYcVaiYNGnvSY0G8FZxoe+D57bMR3vo9 HJONoYNhEqXOWsBHYBPgN5XrloCNWYl8EskAA1wsDYjs7zuJCDUhUmGGmmnC2KJahQqL Wjx56sinCJ41mIDOop6gejRK74Y6U2Weqg2IQmeByutEmrQGxbVVXogCAcSXCBByeahN rFCJzPRbxC8jGoikb8Hjcq4phAuYQSOm5xvdiA1cWVY6RynzIPkqj0VfrfP0bKcG4ug0 ljxw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyaLbKRvX3Csx5+gxohJQ4p/ta3CJQmmfj4/M0Nr4RAGtgMJnXo e6GtTj0xPcYKmPeTpmZUE6mVeqOxWVYkZviHwGY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGFpDxKeI3V6yyTtqDp0xfX/kG2xNOBpiZQuoZ4H+6z0Mm8KQmGB7eqgkE+jOx1fmcrZJemkPy3koOLrfnoMng= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6871:79f:b0:1fb:75a:6d25 with SMTP id o31-20020a056871079f00b001fb075a6d25mr6806281oap.76.1702361001400; Mon, 11 Dec 2023 22:03:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ken Thompson Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2023 22:03:10 -0800 Message-ID: To: imp@bsdimp.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c49c0a060c49cea6" Message-ID-Hash: UVGMTUPB4GIKOZNGL7UK5URFDOGZT24L X-Message-ID-Hash: UVGMTUPB4GIKOZNGL7UK5URFDOGZT24L X-MailFrom: kenbob@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: =?UTF-8?B?UGV0ZXIgV2VpbmJlcmdlciAo5rip5Y2a5qC8KQ==?= , segaloco , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Sad news: Bell Labs leaving Murray Hill. List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000c49c0a060c49cea6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable they were regular in the ny subway to stop theft. some companies in ny also got them for the same reason. my guess is that bell labs (in ny) did and brought them out to mh. someone rewired someones desk lamp. i dont know how that worked out. On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 9:58=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh wrote: > Why ? Pranksters or is there some application that benefits from left han= d > screwed light bulbs? > > Warner > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023, 10:55 PM Ken Thompson wrote: > >> there was a room with left-hand screw >> 100 watt light bulbs and sockets. >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 6:36=E2=80=AFPM Peter Weinberger (=E6=B8=A9=E5= =8D=9A=E6=A0=BC) via TUHS < >> tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote: >> >>> The protons must have decayed by now. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 8:25=E2=80=AFPM ron minnich wrote: >>> >>>> is "PJW in magnets" still there, I wonder. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> While my gut says not likely, I'm holding out hope that Nokia is keen >>>>> on ensuring someone does a historical sweep of the premises before al= l is >>>>> said and done. You never know what might be sitting forgotten in a c= loset >>>>> somewhere...a lot of history has gone down in those illustrious halls= , >>>>> formative moments in our quest for better technology for which a mode= rn >>>>> equivalent fails to come to mind. >>>>> >>>>> For me it's not just about innovations though, but a culture of >>>>> curiosity, openness, and what feels like genuine interest in betterin= g the >>>>> human condition that seeps from so much of the work accomplished by M= H and >>>>> other Bell Labs sites over the decades. A video I watched recently a= bout >>>>> the breakup of the Bell System echoed what I see in countless recolle= ctions >>>>> of Bell Labs alumni, a sense that their work was contributing to some= thing >>>>> greater for everyone, not just the bottom line of the telephone compa= ny. >>>>> Hopefully the lessons Bell Labs has taught many an engineer, scientis= t, and >>>>> businessperson over the years outlive these facilities by orders of >>>>> magnitude, but in either case, sad to see the physical artifacts of s= uch >>>>> important times passing too into the sands of time. >>>>> >>>>> - Matt G. >>>>> On Monday, December 11th, 2023 at 1:21 PM, ron minnich < >>>>> rminnich@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> April 16, 2014, from the Unix room: >>>>> >>>>> "I'm about to turn this terminal off, >>>>> the last one in the Unix Room. It's the >>>>> same 400MHz Pentium II I've had since >>>>> before left." >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 11:46=E2=80=AFAM Marty McGowan, MIT Club of P= rinceton < >>>>> martymcg@fastmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thus following the Holmdel facility into the Halls of Oblivion. >>>>>> >>>>>> my current location, just E of the NJ Tpke, now splits the distance >>>>>> between them. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was in HO in the late '80s, at MH in the mid '90s, there to divide >>>>>> the corporate directory. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anecdote on the latter: The "company to be named" - i.e. Lucent had >>>>>> to shell out Hundreds of 1000s to Yet Another Garage Tronics in Sili= con >>>>>> Valley for rights to the name -- the internet was young enough that = the >>>>>> Name Search committee didn't have "Dot Com" in it's dictionary as ye= t. >>>>>> >>>>>> =3D*+[]* Marty McGowan +1 908 230-3739 <(908)%20230-3739> >>>>>> VP of Membership, MIT Club of Princeton >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 15:37, John Floren via TUHS wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I can't believe they'd give up the building, it's a beautiful >>>>>> structure. Maybe they'll use it for other groups. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> john >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> --000000000000c49c0a060c49cea6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
they were regular in the ny subway to stop theft.
some= companies in ny also got them for the same
reason. my guess is t= hat bell labs (in ny) did and
brought them out to mh. someone rew= ired someones
desk lamp. i dont know how that worked out.


On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 9:58=E2=80=AFPM Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
Why ? Prankster= s or is there some application that benefits from left hand screwed light b= ulbs?

Warner=C2=A0
=
On Mon= , Dec 11, 2023, 10:55 PM Ken Thompson <kenbob@gmail.com> wrote:
there was a room with= left-hand screw
100 watt light bulbs and sockets.

=

= On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 6:36=E2=80=AFPM Peter Weinberger (=E6=B8=A9=E5=8D= =9A=E6=A0=BC) via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
The protons must have decayed by now.
=

= On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 8:25=E2=80=AFPM ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
<= div dir=3D"ltr">is "PJW in magnets" still there, I wonder.
<= br>
On Mon,= Dec 11, 2023 at 5:06=E2=80=AFPM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wro= te:
While m= y gut says not likely, I'm holding out hope that Nokia is keen on ensur= ing someone does a historical sweep of the premises before all is said and = done.=C2=A0 You never know what might be sitting forgotten in a closet some= where...a lot of history has gone down in those illustrious halls, formativ= e moments in our quest for better technology for which a modern equivalent = fails to come to mind.

For me it's not just ab= out innovations though, but a culture of curiosity, openness, and what feel= s like genuine interest in bettering the human condition that seeps from so= much of the work accomplished by MH and other Bell Labs sites over the dec= ades.=C2=A0 A video I watched recently about the breakup of the Bell System= echoed what I see in countless recollections of Bell Labs alumni, a sense = that their work was contributing to something greater for everyone, not jus= t the bottom line of the telephone company.=C2=A0 Hopefully the lessons Bel= l Labs has taught many an engineer, scientist, and businessperson over the = years outlive these facilities by orders of magnitude, but in either case, = sad to see the physical artifacts of such important times passing too into = the sands of time.

- Matt G.
On Monday, December 11th, 2023 at 1:21 PM, ron minnich <rminnic= h@gmail.com> wrote:

April 16, 2014, from the Unix room:

"I'm about to turn this terminal off,
the last o= ne in the Unix Room. It's the
same 400MHz Pentium II I've had si= nce
before <someone> left."

On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 11:46=E2= =80=AFAM Marty McGowan, MIT Club of Princeton <martymcg@fastmail.com> wrote:
Thus following the Holmd= el facility into the Halls of Oblivion.

my cur= rent location, just E of the NJ Tpke, now splits the distance between them.=

I was in HO in the late '80s, at MH in th= e mid '90s, there to divide the corporate directory.
Anecdote on the latter: The "company to be named" -= i.e. Lucent had to shell out Hundreds of 1000s to Yet Another Garage Troni= cs in Silicon Valley for rights to the name -- the internet was young enoug= h that the Name Search committee didn't have "Dot Com" in it= 's dictionary as yet.



=



On Sat, Dec= 9, 2023, at 15:37, John Floren via TUHS wrote:
I can't believe they'd give up the building, it's a beautiful= structure. Maybe they'll use it for other groups.


john


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