From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 27940 invoked from network); 10 Mar 2021 20:18:19 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Mar 2021 20:18:19 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 313929B5F2; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:18:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19B89B550; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:17:51 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="g97YQXzZ"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D0B8F9B550; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:17:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-f42.google.com (mail-lf1-f42.google.com [209.85.167.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E24079B54E for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:17:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-f42.google.com with SMTP id v2so22683569lft.9 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:17:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=DzTfEdQoMOasS+azkBmPFIbK+ES9dRGqgdY+ntC02FY=; b=g97YQXzZx9Z6KaVAxhOoqpOVpvaXcKE1z3iKNfXKxHC9PRCiDFUJVqdiDY/IxDNSAS e/3hMn4Iw6qjyRDWzm3mQjJnkROFkkgKOW5vqIzpdvNIpk/zJTRxr7ehIdAvgxLlTZrV uMtOM2CS9hOXHMMy03DozewGwwshGFyOLoV4frOee1mty4/PFNjYppe9YFwmUmQnwUQB IX5+HeBeLH6TEZhSimPS0aX/XB99vD2xuYjrKDcLlKyj+7Q4B2DsMOiJLSIbK5Vu/v4r h1RB3sVt8JKH0BOSWintIo3zanlyR8Qc/V4LwjVdflKednivJciRIgCZfdJN+echb0mF IpBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=DzTfEdQoMOasS+azkBmPFIbK+ES9dRGqgdY+ntC02FY=; b=LMiai5y8qqZlV86x8VCh7APmkbeKi3UGWFVC9cVQSs23o0pPDGRTwjzFK6qoOCow7i r6UhmPrtdsrcEX82Z/eR7VbN22F+oHHGggZB2KYUYgjJy+dhM9zhc+8iH08LPOUbhkFW YIOcAf5gfVy5XqF49FzKoZJQq1LY043TBL09YDuInKb8XPXCdftHCFnpmPtkRE6CpNSM zLIyriTr8G+Uzh8D087tR18NZofyck79aFidakFllC0Pr6fVLq+vzzBwcsXgsj6cxqgd yh6CtwXz3/SZ9wg75dWEBnZI6Wyfn8z2m69RbkMnzPMSRBy6edkFkoJcJvhNQpp3d1ci puuA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533SIbbNGYrJE8fmtUycF6zXFQO1Gym+ftys3KBe0hUhcXIrK85w hInVLNRhq4ptvVt35WTD/Udp27z4rTB2Qj8Ymx/5uLuz X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyzaJ5Dw8BJr7GLI38AOVkYnOvUPwsKkCtEUJv+kfnAZ/dl4X/Ocn0SmtiD8pbF4l+flDaC3hhJKF60wg1JPh4= X-Received: by 2002:a19:80c9:: with SMTP id b192mr135768lfd.130.1615407466767; Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:17:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20210309162128.692CF640CB6@lignose.oclsc.org> <20210309202255.3doIj%steffen@sdaoden.eu> <20210310183733.GA14019@box.prefix.duckdns.org> In-Reply-To: From: Ken Thompson Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:17:35 -0800 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003967c505bd345c6f" Subject: Re: [TUHS] manual humour (was tunefs -m 5%) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000003967c505bd345c6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable back to original title - manual humour. my favorite was in the "form" command. -- credit to mcilroy. "If one of the special characters [{]}\ is preceded by a \, it loses its special character." On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:50 AM Andy Kosela wrote= : > On 3/10/21, Andreas Kusalananda K=C3=A4h=C3=A4ri = wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 06:51:56PM -0500, Steve Nickolas wrote: > >> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Rob Pike wrote: > >> > >> > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped saying tha= t > >> > ed > >> > was the standard editor. > >> > > >> > -rob > >> > > >> > >> I actually use that expression in somewhat unorthodox ways. ;) > >> > >> Like "CDE is the standard desktop environment like ed is the standard > >> text > >> editor." (I still consider both to be true even though about no one us= es > >> either anymore.) > >> > >> -uso. > > > > Hi, I'm "about no one". I use ed(1) every once in a while, both the > > way it was supposed to be used, i.e. interactively, and occasionally > > scripted on smaller documents. > > > > I'm soon 50. Having grown up with computers, and having spent most of > > my money as a student buying the next bigger and/or faster PC, I find > > that I nowadays enjoy smaller, slower systems and simpler editors more > > and more. Getting distracted by syntax highligting, confused by too > > complicated configurations... There is a certain beauty in the editing > > language of ed(1). It's minimalistic and restrictive, and therefore > > forces you to think, to remember, and to be creative. > > This comment resonates with me so much. I am enjoying these days > mostly retro systems too -- computers I grew up with. There is a > certain beauty in the term "less is more". And nothing is more > satisfying than sitting in front of a CRT terminal (either some real > terminal or PC) and working in a full screen text mode. No GUIs, no > distractions -- just pure conversation with a machine using only text. > That's UNIX for me. > > These days there have been a huge resurgence of various retro > communities around the world. There are still tons of new programs > and games being published for 8-bit micro's or Amiga's. Still it > appears the Unix community in general is not part of that movement. I > think TUHS is an exception and a haven for people who just prefer the > old ways. I find Unix these days too bloated and moved away from its > main core values: simplicity and minimalism. The hardware was much > simpler too back in the days. > > Long live the ed(1) and vi(1). > > --Andy > --0000000000003967c505bd345c6f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

back to original title - manual humour.
my favorite was in the "form" command.
-- credit to mc= ilroy.

"If one of the special characters [{]}= \ is preceded
by a \, it loses its special character."
=


On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 11:50 AM Andy Kosela <akosela@andykosela.com> wrote:
On 3/10/21, Andreas K= usalananda K=C3=A4h=C3=A4ri <andreas.kahari@abc.se> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 09, 2021 at 06:51:56PM -0500, Steve Nickolas wrote:
>> On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, Rob Pike wrote:
>>
>> > I'm curious when people (other than me) erred and stopped= saying that
>> > ed
>> > was the standard editor.
>> >
>> > -rob
>> >
>>
>> I actually use that expression in somewhat unorthodox ways. ;)
>>
>> Like "CDE is the standard desktop environment like ed is the = standard
>> text
>> editor." (I still consider both to be true even though about = no one uses
>> either anymore.)
>>
>> -uso.
>
> Hi, I'm "about no one".=C2=A0 I use ed(1) every once in = a while, both the
> way it was supposed to be used, i.e. interactively, and occasionally > scripted on smaller documents.
>
> I'm soon 50.=C2=A0 Having grown up with computers, and having spen= t most of
> my money as a student buying the next bigger and/or faster PC, I find<= br> > that I nowadays enjoy smaller, slower systems and simpler editors more=
> and more.=C2=A0 Getting distracted by syntax highligting, confused by = too
> complicated configurations... There is a certain beauty in the editing=
> language of ed(1).=C2=A0 It's minimalistic and restrictive, and th= erefore
> forces you to think, to remember, and to be creative.

This comment resonates with me so much.=C2=A0 I am enjoying these days
mostly retro systems too -- computers I grew up with.=C2=A0 There is a
certain beauty in the term "less is more".=C2=A0 And nothing is m= ore
satisfying than sitting in front of a CRT terminal (either some real
terminal or PC) and working in a full screen text mode.=C2=A0 No GUIs, no distractions -- just pure conversation with a machine using only text.
That's UNIX for me.

These days there have been a huge resurgence of various retro
communities around the world.=C2=A0 There are still tons of new programs and games being published for 8-bit micro's or Amiga's.=C2=A0 Still= it
appears the Unix community in general is not part of that movement.=C2=A0 I=
think TUHS is an exception and a haven for people who just prefer the
old ways.=C2=A0 I find Unix these days too bloated and moved away from its<= br> main core values: simplicity and minimalism.=C2=A0 The hardware was much simpler too back in the days.

Long live the ed(1) and vi(1).

--Andy
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