From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22624 invoked from network); 2 May 2022 13:02:11 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 May 2022 13:02:11 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id DC2639D458; Mon, 2 May 2022 23:02:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC9D9D431; Mon, 2 May 2022 22:59:27 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="Pm/GOcCC"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id C79009D431; Mon, 2 May 2022 22:59:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-wr1-f42.google.com (mail-wr1-f42.google.com [209.85.221.42]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 90BC09CE23 for ; Mon, 2 May 2022 22:59:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-wr1-f42.google.com with SMTP id b19so19446060wrh.11 for ; Mon, 02 May 2022 05:59:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=3y7jSy0G1sIqqheqajJTEhfJsdSwKWzGOvFOoVf7frw=; b=Pm/GOcCCAgYuIyA3QzvEBMF8GnmefhKtGK8d3YFX5O+3Ci862rh3rogeSpqJ2eABPl revXuqvxiNvM6uGn7xsTay+2MDJSlkqnLLCMHJauOHaNwu1Hp+qNFl/haf7DrE36rO3E nWRK13dBpVB/gWz491VrT7IkCx9hFDCsSeLDCfSB9WAR8th5Y//puw8iODDf4FzHGFBz O7k6kv8KHJ8BSDqDoTPexsSjP3UiVqXrZN8nZ5WFRwA92P3UxpZKIeSFOJzvL9bhFphW UpG1O5UJpm69SQ4GwAu/r0pny2wvpF0COjHYJB/tGRZKKOCE8gUjIp2FHbLjpy+v5OZ4 Jfmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=3y7jSy0G1sIqqheqajJTEhfJsdSwKWzGOvFOoVf7frw=; b=BXcqQouUXCeMqG0+A6l1k3WtYrc7W6RYLxSDLhhREA0+BNqbVwQN8BeQ+m/3Yt4Sxk p0YwzlT7IzNia9Crg93TQri218ub3W1mMaylGlQz3sRkTWO86i8Frd0ofvjfwR9bNta1 orIBdS4TzQymmTnIwH537xD8GCkynQ++qTWDAg2Byngd+Jhoe5JRfmiKBQfueB6wlPOS C5D0C+BYTwNByhBpRW4p3KjvBpQqo3fGNaStF+V6ZaeePpqQLndzz+RIisFrEjJlSyPF FmqI2NCj/m1TFuhVCKbuNTveXRfMkap0bsMu0+zwZmdp2oiDzStqHeX9NlV3zOLqRtj7 flCw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532c9OzkW6A0WctpIsmIQqMlf+1AcrdH6vTpwT3jEraGVmTrdk0R djG6buDBtFr3mlY/n1nV73LLtBX2aT2XCph9thgryUPK X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy+Af9GTIQk630WjuYf36Ccui+vcD+KcYZRl/otVY5tfMoZReI+U3fFkVzEbop2zwSr+pZDCgxpI8XmdTwI4TA= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:584e:0:b0:20a:9122:2c3c with SMTP id i14-20020a5d584e000000b0020a91222c3cmr9288713wrf.193.1651496359964; Mon, 02 May 2022 05:59:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57977CE7-DDCC-4861-BBD2-843B9B9F51C2@ronnatalie.com> <202205020242.2422g30m074857@ultimate.com> In-Reply-To: <202205020242.2422g30m074857@ultimate.com> From: Kenneth Goodwin Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 08:59:10 -0400 Message-ID: To: Phil Budne Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e2316605de06f571" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First Unix-like OSes not derived from AT&T code? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000e2316605de06f571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Compiles before the return key That phrase as i recall it i have associated with the Amdahl mainframe, not IBM. Anyone else recall this event at a USENIX conference??? They released a C Compiler for it and I think also a unix version for it. the phrase that they coined to indicate the shear speed of it at the time went something like this - You can compile the entire UNIX kernel in the debounce time of the return key. It was part of the presentation on their C compiler implementation. Perhaps it was IBM and I need to replace some faulty core and rebuild some database indices...... The phrase has been stuck in my head ever since. On Sun, May 1, 2022, 10:43 PM Phil Budne wrote: > Ron Minnich wrote: > > in terms of rewrites from manuals, while it was not the first, as I > > understand it, AIX was an example of "read the manual, write the > > code." > > My memory, from having a "finger" program that tried to display the > foreground/active process for each tty/login/utmp entry, is that there > it was possible there were multiple code bases (tho it's possible > there was just one, and it mutated wildly across major versions), all > called "AIX" (and as my old boss, Barry Shein (BZS) at Boston > University said, they all "will remind you of Unix"), there were (at > least) versions for: > > RT PC > RS/6000 (POWER, PowerPC) > PS/2 > > I never had access to AIX/370, but BZS got a chance to try it out in a > VM on the academic computing S/390, and ISTR he said it finished > compiles before you hit return. > > There was also a (pretty clean, ISTR) port of 4.3 BSD to the RT called > "ACIS", but it might only have been available to academic sites. > > My memory is also that IBM had a very broad license for SVR2 and when > the Open Software Foundation came together (with people who weren't > AT&T or Sun), IBM was able to offer that up as a code base. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gether, > --000000000000e2316605de06f571 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Compiles before the return key

That phrase as i recall it i have associated with the Am= dahl mainframe, not IBM. Anyone else recall this event at a=C2=A0 USENIX co= nference???

They release= d a C Compiler for it and I think also a unix version for it.=C2=A0

the phrase that they coined to = indicate the shear speed of it=C2=A0 at the time went something like=C2=A0t= his -

You can compile th= e entire UNIX kernel in the debounce time of the return key.

It was part of the presentation on th= eir C compiler implementation. Perhaps it was IBM and I need to replace som= e faulty core and rebuild some database indices......

The phrase has been stuck in my head ever sin= ce.


<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 1, 2022, 10:43 PM Phil Bud= ne <phil@ultimate.com> wrote= :
Ron Minnich wrote:
> in terms of rewrites from manuals, while it was not the first, as I > understand it, AIX was an example of "read the manual, write the<= br> > code."

My memory, from having a "finger" program that tried to display t= he
foreground/active process for each tty/login/utmp entry, is that there
it was possible there were multiple code bases (tho it's possible
there was just one, and it mutated wildly across major versions), all
called "AIX" (and as my old boss, Barry Shein (BZS) at Boston
University said, they all "will remind you of Unix"), there were = (at
least) versions for:

RT PC
RS/6000 (POWER, PowerPC)
PS/2

I never had access to AIX/370, but BZS got a chance to try it out in a
VM on the academic computing S/390, and ISTR he said it finished
compiles before you hit return.

There was also a (pretty clean, ISTR) port of 4.3 BSD to the RT called
"ACIS", but it might only have been available to academic sites.<= br>
My memory is also that IBM had a very broad license for SVR2 and when
the Open Software Foundation came together (with people who weren't
AT&T or Sun), IBM was able to offer that up as a code base.




















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