From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 22162 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2023 14:44:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jan 2023 14:44:35 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C5042428; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 00:43:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-il1-f178.google.com (mail-il1-f178.google.com [209.85.166.178]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B58194241F for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 00:43:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-il1-f178.google.com with SMTP id o15so1247260ill.11 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 06:43:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=7ItzbREf7hCwCu8iAgw9ejj248f3WiOpAiH6E/FR5lM=; b=UfhOuPAKtdfRkWce+7k0WMqwMbz5qd9QAqnYdkinZ47qJ+JCAv86C/qhI5G+pmQenk VzF7SPNt4e4Cn2eTg9OcA09LUQZ+DMhYOSt+qxJjFppeeM5IzkVQWnSVFBxKTHUT7pmz OBPfC5+lPC89ZDfgbfLQJEIdO5q/bDBCFNPwVi4wWRTo5BY7eDl76upPHLyXYlKSf+oA zA91O5NUBdrTtKa/iifupAYAE//Wr0sSiJYMzCkoh2YF+69wCWHr6Hbm9AP9zFzQleLe quY0G1fNMdNrdlhSywnBvtDG6puCnWXYP5/+Qt504VCleynln4sC2E9yhAAW7ZKiM+Vt Cg5A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7ItzbREf7hCwCu8iAgw9ejj248f3WiOpAiH6E/FR5lM=; b=uP1SLshEWgDGnOScnidgqCpyYXmAkmTCvbLs0rCnPhLbUqBZOZYGk7oAT+2EDt0dNb 5pdphefUeySWDebT/8HCLL4rOhS9YW0ENTeVhOZXJ1ObeYqV0PaawtUe0rPc4v5mwsr+ 56rZPTqxV2nkkczbeXt3Ai41Lm8A+WVUMw1WK6sQmu2pLkigTMSLIEuSm+kxNuWH0ATx vZpRn5mIKeZeIfLOL7fSM3UYCFFYJL50uUjd5VJXHW4QsoHk49hqpHtOhfC/YbxkFRjC gdMztxuFrPPCPXud4Wzb6KmJIsXYf+HRyYtU/k2J1qLFwasScPvg+1vPN+w5liLoioIA km0A== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kqs+Ez64az5wrURYFSK6S1cc+bSRv1YOLjhZGkJzTwXtr10Hyr3 u+DuDzH2hspC/UDdWi1YLRVspVZkvsSAgAMAeHdm7XMiW+nIKu6g X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXsEidFRPK0QYbFmWJxPc63P7SRolUy5csev4dOn72QYGd0yd+uEpY2LIQa77F4rxbfQNmizuuJMCwihrIXCSoM= X-Received: by 2002:a92:6e0e:0:b0:30d:b25e:d328 with SMTP id j14-20020a926e0e000000b0030db25ed328mr1163910ilc.188.1674139369792; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 06:42:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <202301181446.30IEkSNt050612@ultimate.com> <20230118145554.3B27F20145@orac.inputplus.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20230118145554.3B27F20145@orac.inputplus.co.uk> From: Liam Proven Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:42:38 +0100 Message-ID: To: tuhs@tuhs.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID-Hash: NLQCO7SA76DYJC5ZBN4CJNETGMDRBW3G X-Message-ID-Hash: NLQCO7SA76DYJC5ZBN4CJNETGMDRBW3G X-MailFrom: lproven@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 18 Jan 2023 at 15:56, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > > The fine article ends with *Heh* > =E2=80=98Which means that the last officially trademarked commercial U= NIX=E2=84=A2 is > Apple's macOS 13, which underneath the proprietary GUI layer is mostl= y > an open source OS called Darwin anyway. The kernel, XNU, is based on > Mach with an in-kernel "Unix server" derived from FreeBSD...=E2=80=99 > =E2=80=94 https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/17/unix_is_dead/ Indeed it does. I wrote it. Thanks to Arnold for posting it. I am getting some grief on Twitter too for "omitting" FreeBSD. I didn't, but the BSDs don't fit either definition of "Unix". The pre-1993 one being "based on AT&T code" -- after all, BSD (4.4 Lite r2 was it? Before my time!) -- went to a lot of effort to eliminate AT&T code. The post-'93 definition, after Novell donated the trademark to the Open Group, is "passed Open Group testing". Nobody has the time or the inclination to pay, and indeed, why should they? I hope to return to the subject of the BSDs in general on the Reg in future= . --=20 Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-= 053