From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25949 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2023 13:32:00 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Jan 2023 13:32:00 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26E6424F9; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 23:31:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f53.google.com (mail-io1-f53.google.com [209.85.166.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26E1B424CB for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 23:31:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f53.google.com with SMTP id n85so2428876iod.7 for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 05:31:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=XFE3CjjloHde5v6cyp8Dn79VPYnPC/HnIKuMb4S/kjw=; b=FrHbaojJq4G5S6SP7EyzrPszZEk7y4mjGQNdgOL7vjqn7a0Cbca9KjHCIokIgV+Or9 Kio5APLtjLc2paHdU+lHMokxjNzvmRl8Gx7oqk0GklmifB8LdT6yGcKHXSqSdp5hLfbj D5VJ8uAHghuCJTvhc8aSId8hBsVb71QNfPH8h/zBMv8PjptNp5aRZrV7JLy0NZzIoxZw xRHMoUf6qf46gJJ1cP47iIWFsGYhJby4HMAK6st2OfitvIfErJ5WsHga04v6wowP/rkl 2XRRDay9DKMI+n7qfGwNdmMdIUwlrJyaF43Qr7PctEdd/vEKdKCAg5ST26nmkhJ5UTaQ z0qA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=XFE3CjjloHde5v6cyp8Dn79VPYnPC/HnIKuMb4S/kjw=; b=MS049cWfh588VnGFvDzm3U9qzGWelJJFQmPblwwfdtHA6fu7Ws97g7vSoR9qC6H47K +lUcmoEuTTgsqsV6mNiv5fa3N4ULYAyD7RoAlutMoGqXd16wCgBNm9+jFfZnYSIrO4qT yS819KvYP1F4LrXS1sXkOIquQzlxoN1fzc746jAJKTkN10KenPbt3tYmJzsJf2jcNh6l O1DYKTC9XmA0qV0kUoVK4bCA9NQfQOlz/qkK2yfRAfEiEERi8n9Y1f3oTe+gHFKKPB6m 4QGbyqzwF+YATKJQfmvHu+SkjlswJ5LbnQqdp5PTydJn5mkxUZo8jFl528418CYXAcmt sc7g== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kodrk0TvP1PeSC6iT/lFiYWyqvi1R6aL934FNLpw4KjMXBF6S5f NReu3RfOQ8CXGH9/JeyQNIQpRyf/ReC2WxUqV//vX3Vwuyyd0Ef3 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXsNbaqCAbv73W35UwNVwcvb9lWNgM0rhV/7IoITfpB2HB0N0U0JqLFb+1pwf/1q99cnxdpWh+yawoFVpFrsNLI= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:5b11:0:b0:6e2:cbf3:9c9c with SMTP id v17-20020a6b5b11000000b006e2cbf39c9cmr1105631ioh.34.1674221450156; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 05:30:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <202301181513.30IFDDUJ015224@freefriends.org> <20230118151446.GD2964@mcvoy.com> <20230118161959.GE2964@mcvoy.com> <0882D9CA-FAC8-4EC6-BA82-CE1D457423E5@iitbombay.org> In-Reply-To: From: Liam Proven Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:30:38 +0100 Message-ID: To: tuhs@tuhs.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: FU2QH7X3FE6A73ESKBJU5OVGTBELDBIX X-Message-ID-Hash: FU2QH7X3FE6A73ESKBJU5OVGTBELDBIX X-MailFrom: lproven@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The death of general purpose computers, was - AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 19 Jan 2023 at 21:10, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > The idea that I can fully pay for and own a device and yet generally have to exploit some sort of security loophole or backdoor developer feature to actually use the device fully is completely asinine to me. I recently reviewed a Murena 1 that might tick some of your boxes: https://www.theregister.com/2022/06/02/murena_e_foundation_phone_test/ De-Googled Android, sends nothing back to anyone, but can run off the shelf Android apps. If even that is too much, then there are other options. I am considering buying a 2nd Planet Computers Gemini in order to run Jolla Sailfish on it. I would also rather like some used Google Pixel or something that I could put Ubuntu Touch on. Work continues even though Canonical cancelled it 5 or 6 years ago, and it's getting there. I've seen in the flesh demos at the Ubuntu Summit here in Prague last November, including one version of UT running a newer version inside a VM, on a JingPad tablet. Or PostmarketOS if you prefer a more DIY experience, perhaps on a FairPhone or a PinePhone. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053