From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 17375 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2022 14:07:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Dec 2022 14:07:40 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5340741C47; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 00:07:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f54.google.com (mail-io1-f54.google.com [209.85.166.54]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F091741C38 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2022 00:07:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f54.google.com with SMTP id q190so3496827iod.10 for ; Sun, 18 Dec 2022 06:07:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YLbG5qFnQ4+v2604GjTa60kH+akViHUzWh3Eaqh9PWg=; b=SpdKl2B+CrnvVs8kRpf/xK/DUkBVmUBuS3end4ve/uVKv+BQPkrwMUlIF2xg5Q99XO U8kWAck9xapI9xMOsl8pkbgaN+Py0xSCARCXSVw/ePIqMudM/dzrPkbgigJugdFMOqap qjOYOfyal7qPxOHXbVwsezwWU/5rfxL2Z+Sr7agXMKH7CFUFF3A+EZu7YASmxioDYEPL yIjLIphuwPAB615nrSMq3NS9j/LqlE1/r+s8m2uwkzOnvAtCBLlyivKcPD7K8d2dooWp bhgHkTUkSXgdgTIsvO+AgP/cQtAb0EDkw/J7Qpx/KeYKJbvWuxRcI0oXxAdvOyRI57RW +5lA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=YLbG5qFnQ4+v2604GjTa60kH+akViHUzWh3Eaqh9PWg=; b=RKQvxMaDzw/rB0DmGhJ/ArOzRh0Orf26tC6QUe/vq1K+RtGY+P7mvo92YRpqb7RuJw 1YXf+ssNrmJDp9kIFXIE6GlzLNDrcLIUxznOagJe6/rS2TIdNmNQL2UY6RJVresHA80E tLDPRNtubP9Jw6nLWapnqf5QeHTcpFEldr4qAdij+iF60NEoonnmtV8etCX1hmu7hTGh PWAd0MLJSiQMFQUH05WeDm/QNkgwSgeMrsB6C5te6l4jbvK+8HkYgEtToUsP9LquTqVk KrGczJ4XrMoNx17vwekC7PNBHeXM1XfDxDsxIa6jNcPo/c2XRMigIdunjCXiRBzWTlA+ GrZg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pl5Zu8arwDAXhpQyK8ByYyIGnkiB0tPzCaymWdW43oHhLjPL/z2 Ybs53AQYxSUPUi/bugAuLuqMD4aMwbqSWCmSgXuW8EhTJPgwHA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4BziywOWER8y5vLbEF3NMwGi13LxE2wZCCRWElxz4mYUejytVDfG4X5dWfTDe4AuUNZUwNiiPITSk6iyPeFe8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:3e85:b0:38a:3dba:cc7f with SMTP id ch5-20020a0566383e8500b0038a3dbacc7fmr11965638jab.293.1671372368743; Sun, 18 Dec 2022 06:06:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20221211200327.GC8801@mcvoy.com> <8F5B431B-3789-42C7-8E34-0B6A417B41CF@iitbombay.org> <20221212033453.GE8801@mcvoy.com> <20221213133726.GA20511@mcvoy.com> <20221214010531.GK20511@mcvoy.com> <018ac308-b67f-4e5a-4ae5-03f492900847@gmail.com> <37f4dd4e-c8b9-cd91-b4a5-aaa6cf3839ec@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <37f4dd4e-c8b9-cd91-b4a5-aaa6cf3839ec@gmail.com> From: Liam Proven Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:05:57 +0100 Message-ID: To: tuhs@tuhs.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: O7TLMBFZKXHTEA56YQE4NMA47NEMV6PR X-Message-ID-Hash: O7TLMBFZKXHTEA56YQE4NMA47NEMV6PR X-MailFrom: lproven@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Clever code (was Re: Re: Stdin Redirect in Cu History/Alternatives? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 16 Dec 2022 at 11:43, Harald Arnesen wrote: > > Thanks! Very interesting, I didn't know much of this. My pleasure. I am a daily Unix user but my main interests tend to lie elsewhere. I don't have any citations for this, but it looked to me, watching in the magazines at the time, that _before_ the Amiga deal, QNX did run on PCs for testing purposes, but I am not totally sure if it had a GUI at all, and little to no multimedia support. My impression is that QNX implemented that for Amiga Inc and then were left with it when Amiga turned its gaze on Tao and Elate. (Some of the best remaining info about Intent and Elate is in HN comments, e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16053726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9807269 Which leads to: http://www.uruk.org/emu/Taos.html ) I am curious to know if the TAOS virtual-processor, all-binaries-are-CPU-independent, model influenced or inspired Inferno. I think that Inferno postdates TAOS. But returning to QNX: my impression is, they implemented a GUI and multimedia frameworks for Amiga, Amiga changed its mind, and QNX offered it as a PC dev kit for a while. E.g. https://archive.org/details/qnx-neutrino-rtos-x86-runtime-kit-6.3.0-sp3 But the only mass-market end-user-facing graphical multimedia-capable QNX devices I know of were the Blackberry X smartphones. (And cancelled tablet and netbook.) I owned a Blackberry Passport. A lovely device with a lovely OS... but too late and it flopped. So, oddly, and accidentally and unintentionally, Amiga Inc was directly responsible for the Blackberry smartphone OS. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053