From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4069 invoked from network); 20 Dec 2022 11:59:11 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Dec 2022 11:59:11 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54496423DE; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 21:59:05 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-io1-f50.google.com (mail-io1-f50.google.com [209.85.166.50]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD6FB423DC for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 21:58:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-io1-f50.google.com with SMTP id h6so6219803iof.9 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 03:58:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wiKuCBjNGqnuFeHMjLCP81y7wmtMq0+cibAI81MuKCY=; b=geQ24jyuV6HIRrM+xl3C7gD2GI/cyV+xpYjOLq2awlP5qkucVIUW5WrfMlD2QxyMM8 PG9BHHwf5ddz2IWslXCpMeZo6o+GO+SYD52qeop/G3viYjdH3cQyTIXC5W7MDBPIP9Q1 +Lpvxz0+N9t/ksD7QDUf8VjQ3Ol2pdu0tM0g/zaqSN7nzVLY4Ia+ND7DF30W/EDLRJQe GNSuzKjsnnaa0xxT6QzHACT9jK+W7VrRX8ITSWixSYX8D5KpLT2ilbxz50wUuMjxEaHs jHGw7w9klbc9TlNf3LIrOqIDlNOFfnrNhcekvIj3tSMQF0Va3i6ihQ4Nwmic5Q+/zc52 f6sw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wiKuCBjNGqnuFeHMjLCP81y7wmtMq0+cibAI81MuKCY=; b=mCoDkjvmw+mg6nduDRiKpoGxtQA3vG8NwpILcWHGtpYRK5ENTNjIy993YM/lU7iVpl QS84YgCbIXfmDChEebfxtcc1YaTo9iIJFMyJTG5cmUZfWqU1mEuY1HXBy6XAY36Pjwdh QgaH1U0AOQRO8U98a19JO4A55/qlVRh99d0fzHscrpTRmAM804RjIcAsWJ/JEyBFfSmt QW++l691XRQpwEMrdvoXIogWaXZzV4dd4l3/wcH43K4NhbEOlV145LRtzGbr4uzUJ5WG o05yFCa7TRGFktyZcKzfcp6br4HxujtODUr4CvY6ip/73ovNtpqO+QRg35IIzxr8Lala sykg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5plsfXjK/zEbKl8NesDs/WOQBhMIHP3wNYdM8Nz4sRKFFLFr51ke pnsUe3kyEbt4kB9OTXJeRZ4WMWS3tU31z6TDm8+qC2D3xxY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4bQDe9PsIq4Vi0AZDBKKQ8ADljryDU/TLRvu1lhtkEkD3K4+oI2GS4mltXFlqOQsHjEVJh+c3FUzO01eoL7+Q= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8902:0:b0:6bc:711:821 with SMTP id b2-20020a5d8902000000b006bc07110821mr46983169ion.192.1671537478729; Tue, 20 Dec 2022 03:57:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20221211200327.GC8801@mcvoy.com> <8F5B431B-3789-42C7-8E34-0B6A417B41CF@iitbombay.org> <20221212033453.GE8801@mcvoy.com> <20221213133726.GA20511@mcvoy.com> <20221214010531.GK20511@mcvoy.com> <018ac308-b67f-4e5a-4ae5-03f492900847@gmail.com> <37f4dd4e-c8b9-cd91-b4a5-aaa6cf3839ec@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Liam Proven Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2022 12:57:47 +0100 Message-ID: To: tuhs@tuhs.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: 6BTSARBO6TVE4BP2HI77OSKBE4QS6J7V X-Message-ID-Hash: 6BTSARBO6TVE4BP2HI77OSKBE4QS6J7V X-MailFrom: lproven@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Clever code (was Re: Re: Stdin Redirect in Cu History/Alternatives? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 at 09:31, Andrew Warkentin wrote: > QNX Classic and 4.x only ran on x86 machines, most of which were > either standard PCs or at least sort of PC-like (although AFAIK the > ability to run without a BIOS was present very early on). It was quite > common to run QNX on desktops as a development host for embedded > systems AFAIK. > > GUIs for QNX predate the Amiga deal, and have existed since the late > 80s. The original was QNX Windows, which was either a reimplementation > or port (not quite sure which) of Open Look on a custom non-X11 window > server, running on later versions of 2.x and all versions of 4.x. > > Later versions of 4.x added Photon 1, which looks like a cross between > Motif and Windows 9x, again based on a custom window server (this time > with a rather unconventional multi-process architecture). The 90s-era > demo disk was based on 4.25 and Photon 1 (there was also a 2.x demo > disk back in the 80s but this didn't have a GUI). Fascinating. Thanks for setting the record straight, and I apologise for my inaccurate speculation. > > 6.0 came with Photon 2, which is still Win9x-ish in terms of > organization and is a fairly straightforward evolution of Photon 1, > although the widgets look very vaguely Amiga-like in 6.0-6.2. 6.0 came > out slightly after the Amiga deal, so that might be the reason for the > Amiga-like theming. > > Neutrino was not the name of a GUI, but rather of the entire OS that > succeeded QNX 4 (the first versions of Neutrino used Photon 1 but were > incapable of self-hosting and were developed alongside 4.x; 6.0 was > the first mainline QNX version to be Neutrino-based). Aha! > There were also the i-Opener (running 4.25) and Audrey (running 6.0) > internet appliances of the late 90s. I did not realise they were QNX devices. I vaguely thought the 3Com Audrey was based on BeIA, in fact, but I must be confusing it with something else -- perhaps the Sony eVilla. -- Liam Proven ~ Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lproven@cix.co.uk ~ gMail/gTalk/FB: lproven@gmail.com Twitter/LinkedIn: lproven ~ Skype: liamproven UK: (+44) 7939-087884 ~ Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053