From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 12347 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2020 05:31:56 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 20 Sep 2020 05:31:56 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BFBCB93F06; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:31:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D2B293D54; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:30:29 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="AJuNjQGc"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 5911593D54; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:29:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-il1-f177.google.com (mail-il1-f177.google.com [209.85.166.177]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF33D93D49 for ; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 15:29:53 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-il1-f177.google.com with SMTP id h2so10616863ilo.12 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 22:29:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MXUfFTDaXm0orphn8RC4RiW6fsY+1/YmqQ3iMUI3cs0=; b=AJuNjQGcSXmaUC0w+q75/QO2QB2vw3WCbuo//QyxftvSjkIlzY6FpOr5kWEefKfHDv HKeX1ONkJ4M99kAcjFDZNCyWTEe2sUkcsOL5CN8W5vArwIaBewxQYj5CwqWS4GnLPZN4 1AVGe4ciO4FsjIwPNHQIwp1V196m3cloERFONGvRaOXJ6SBks1HhotLY/zl0LO1Y5VSX uXVUZ2NEUzKaP2+8CE7Uks3BAnA6s8QMfjw1vhF8Ey9/oJvs5AA9ZBBrL7QsgkkU9q+0 SNj7kzdhBIyD5ueOOszHoE3DM0HhJFh7Xw7nD+6p3qIbY+49PXqdUaULhfvOeBvf8N/b 7k7Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=MXUfFTDaXm0orphn8RC4RiW6fsY+1/YmqQ3iMUI3cs0=; b=AKyZyDMrbJNIqco+BYuJmoonx24uV/DFZWOw0BM3++E4oSQEH5VkCWLp2geirynrWW Vh6XYg5IQ0ELWj7RJOBoEPKLFIIHe2yEL0p1GrrxY/YwhfJmuKyYmFCPmaDrRMY5uINl 4AmGpNau5UuBYzF/T6ggTsTNiq8n4JCUY6G+bw8dLO/6dhQxZMfdda8uPOTIu3JrdNs/ Mn+mh+B4dq7QROGfOjkAVum0EAatYZiWNEgdF2eIn3iDEW15ZyhKaRx37YvzWTNIpWde Tv2aLqkxU3ul+rUGmrRx0duKvsrC7TnvLFOdnsrzez8aPTCJmi7Q1PeIKmdUFaI3XoGv aTEA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531L3YU11ljnZMZlCrh/tvE0QuZYWrJkwbHGFFo37SlmcPgX4y9q dj72tzVYwJDwZ5SqMegrLlZUCmQwAihXHmBwEJH3aD7D4XfI X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJySEVJuLeBXLko1b8xewLuHUxdN4XmNQUNNMNBOrq+TiUzxnXLwoWyDRqp3RwxmVJlYzyDZEzcXCc9ANSIVmBY= X-Received: by 2002:a92:2e0b:: with SMTP id v11mr37169711ile.112.1600579792574; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 22:29:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ac0:eb0c:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 22:29:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Rudi Blom Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 12:29:52 +0700 Message-ID: To: tuhs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix on DEC AlphaServer 4000 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" You're a bit harsh on the developers but I think in most cases it was the marketing/finance part of companies which decided on such mundane matters as licensing. My 2-1/2 cents. Cheers, uncle rubl >Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:42:39 -0700 >From: John Gilmore >To: Clem Cole >Cc: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" , tuhs > >Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix on DEC AlphaServer 4000 >Message-ID: <32401.1600544559@hop.toad.com> ... snip ... >License managers now count as DRM, under the Digital Millennium >Copyright Act (though no such laws had been passed when the license >managers were first created). So: is it worth breaking the law in many >countries, to maintain a historical curiosity? >Personally, I would throw DRM-encrusted software, and the hardware that >is dependent on it, into the dustbin of history. Its creators had fair. >warning that they were making their products unusable after they stopped >caring to maintain them. They didn't care about their place in history, >nor about their users. They did it anyway, for short-term profit and to >harass those people foolish enough to be their customers. Their memes >should not be passed to future generations. As Sir Walter Scott >suggested in another context, they "doubly dying, shall go down, to the. >vile dust, from whence [they] sprung, unwept, unhonour'd, and unsung". John