From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18019 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2023 16:32:33 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 26 Feb 2023 16:32:33 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AD6432A4; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 02:32:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-x52f.google.com (mail-ed1-x52f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::52f]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1B35843293 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2023 02:32:24 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-x52f.google.com with SMTP id ee7so16542813edb.2 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 08:32:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=mc3eCdcrJNwT+/54cXkEUN5xkTEN6P/UfwO4JRrhT1Q=; b=Zk3EF3ogtevDBBGZq5vuUIcgp3iaOrmnwDzPuPx4Ga2hCXE8hx9++fdLduEkzHPXZD JxGhLbezv9f4TsMdwEA9nyRZha/va8Kjn1Fc53g5YrTKuTySBn1ULEqKvdq3u6sZ0is/ obHKIsDA57Y1tyTo9xJIS4l+jTROF+nHVjyPkXyLhyvO65FdfkO3ci9GRmLPIIFLpoAw aTSSjjiFHFl/fRU7Q1HpF1IgK+uKJOC5p5inSyCZxh+ndNBLb+Uzvt82jtthkBpsM160 E14EXgd530SupHATRYmWbKrFP3t9IlE1B7wchW4pwEAqC1JTswmkebTuo+Scjop4XyfB xgMw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=mc3eCdcrJNwT+/54cXkEUN5xkTEN6P/UfwO4JRrhT1Q=; b=c6P18a2bQMCeKaWlmNw5ba3V+dPFuc2hyP1xUPYEpAJM3xV+E0hb5QZGMwfcPmE6Xz 1IVdUc7L/K9iLmUo38yRasK5KhOPqs64Gxk4GG6GwtRv+t098UkbaQxrvolSWoVoii7T xQtOtjwtqF0ImwGx2ro3spraNfmS0WpkEt5YG2k38co1ceQnRWRA+65cQHzu+4yetgso 3Xll/bcwIimN0tXJp9B/2nmvgCIi2DuKsi53xO+tMoCRu/w1lirSNoat2KE7LFIahE+a ThNZBw+oL6nR9wKqf4wQN0OQ+lnJhT9PtucEezy0qkdJ3ATzPAgxDtZqvrOutU5RLHPW /8Cw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKWwJ8neLhzfuCt9fkC1EuWKbNBNGWKDPs7ft1Kqded+cYU0NDAa 7jUliybQwskMcbiASE/gOxf1S3i9uIzrEx1n7RGuKw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set/vZ/dI7MWqr46LaNpdv5pb5Mr6g8+pGKi1uKVZC6RMkYwiRPCwxig7JuJvqOXYhb29sawDMTJ/arlg4P2H1ZQ= X-Received: by 2002:a50:d517:0:b0:4ad:5274:dbee with SMTP id u23-20020a50d517000000b004ad5274dbeemr10508510edi.0.1677429141645; Sun, 26 Feb 2023 08:32:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58626A0B-EF9C-4920-8E20-CE0C4210BA6A@planet.nl> <878rgks9x1.fsf@vuxu.org> <20230226161313.GV12775@mcvoy.com> <874jr8s8ee.fsf@vuxu.org> In-Reply-To: <874jr8s8ee.fsf@vuxu.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2023 09:32:10 -0700 Message-ID: To: Leah Neukirchen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001fc0c105f59ce832" Message-ID-Hash: CLZLGI6IYJZPPSVEW4UUGEXWC2AHFRV6 X-Message-ID-Hash: CLZLGI6IYJZPPSVEW4UUGEXWC2AHFRV6 X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early GUI on Linux List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000001fc0c105f59ce832 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 9:23 AM Leah Neukirchen wrote: > Larry McVoy writes: > > > On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 04:50:34PM +0100, Leah Neukirchen wrote: > >> Warner Losh writes: > >> > >> > - was there any discussion of alternatives to X? > >> >> > >> > > >> > Discussions yes. But not much more than talk. > >> > > >> > There were vgalib apps that ran graphics on the console, but I never > used > >> > them. > >> > >> Back then I didn't have enough disk space to install X11 and TeX at > >> the same time, so I mostly worked on the 80x25 console > > > > screen(1) was my go to back in the days of limited resources. Especially > > screen -r so you could detach, come back the next day and have all your > > setup right there. > > > > Wasn't that fancy but oh so useful. I'm with Ted in that we just wanted > > a bunch of terminal windows. > > Curiously, I learned about screen only way later, when I used remote > systems. But I made getty spawn on 12 ttys, so that worked as well to > multitask. > That's a trick that dates back to the 80s. Different Unixes did that. I first saw it on the DEC Rainbow running an enhanced Venix (V7) in like 1987 where you had 4 consoles, but no job control.... SCO System V did it in the late 80s too. I think the pre system V Xenix did too. Warner -- > Leah Neukirchen https://leahneukirchen.org > --0000000000001fc0c105f59ce832 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Feb 26, 2023, 9:23 AM Leah Neukirchen <leah@vuxu.org> wrote:
Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> writes:

> On Sun, Feb 26, 2023 at 04:50:34PM +0100, Leah Neukirchen wrote:
>> Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> writes:
>>
>> > - was there any discussion of alternatives to X?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Discussions yes. But not much more than talk.
>> >
>> > There were vgalib apps that ran graphics on the console, but = I never used
>> > them.
>>
>> Back then I didn't have enough disk space to install X11 and T= eX at
>> the same time, so I mostly worked on the 80x25 console
>
> screen(1) was my go to back in the days of limited resources.=C2=A0 Es= pecially
> screen -r so you could detach, come back the next day and have all you= r
> setup right there.
>
> Wasn't that fancy but oh so useful.=C2=A0 I'm with Ted in that= we just wanted
> a bunch of terminal windows.

Curiously, I learned about screen only way later, when I used remote
systems.=C2=A0 But I made getty spawn on 12 ttys, so that worked as well to=
multitask.

That's a trick that dates back to the 80s. Different Unixes d= id that. I first saw it on the DEC Rainbow running an enhanced Venix (V7) i= n like 1987 where you had 4 consoles, but no job control.... SCO System V d= id it in the late 80s too. I think the pre system V Xenix did too.=C2=A0

Warner


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