From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [50.116.15.146]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C30221265 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 01:03:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34E543245; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:03:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pf1-x42c.google.com (mail-pf1-x42c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42c]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 491D1427E5 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 09:03:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pf1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-7062bf8bb75so261190b3a.0 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 16:03:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1718751799; x=1719356599; darn=tuhs.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3V5kS5H93+zZozhv7DrSGm+iDrEV+4EZ8TxAyS17fN4=; b=LufgGVjwE6PC2Td5gT4tcYJNvGJ04e9IS4jTvayLlqThTIXEIPv8KMPbsV/SwGmKEI fGM3ib4IV/60F1pdaPmadUMGVO+KpG7hVcJwjeW4PoZxE4Oe/OEaXB9aLmgBnbZxEnp9 RRKqS05x/UCbb14aH5BgQJe3UnMRClyMOK506ZE7VShje0gJMNs2VKVx7/A/vhg43nvv md5OQ/f2TLA5//f+wd7z9hGMTaj3JhX65gO1+2fyFVtkXJXIDstZPvrQu/68l6NPQNcG GkzwHrpoUP/P7IzevJIuZIXeoiIlBiFDZYA3D7Ms6dSHbYoWaEqG6pab0dfRJuCBmqUJ sTPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1718751799; x=1719356599; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=3V5kS5H93+zZozhv7DrSGm+iDrEV+4EZ8TxAyS17fN4=; b=b3L8BbzZGOS9dGV+xDX3gY4/Ne/7bETXrMBXKt31gVvIt6G/BwODafZ+ZsF0CR1u3q PKOq8yg1ia1JVCOvjam2zWYyCX4OW9H1fmXvm72gTny3R+fCxsXYqGSVn4JTdXgVy5Id 73cV5iH0zMWsohKW4pgKBAS4OEdFhIMg3xR1ygbAvJLkJ0UBlqDCkgu/W18tjmMMzdNK 3PBk8MBipd1KQb5zZPlsVtX5NPvsIQJava9VrEKEQpVhlf2KkAzz5GGuxEZGm7fdIOpN JG9s4zAlrcZc5iKZF5EGZ/wFZt4HHCccx8yCZCFJ9zDrazm0uldsTSQh/oVJkfjZLC+B H44A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwrpVk1p0coijFvIDO0tNacNnZWCFAPCi3abA1qRL8yOt4Pev1p /EiODdTnmudd2L7B1SdXPQqivX+Z6BbotZzeBiTnXysEuCTO4Abt1+TiZEAW0eZrwM5Sxx8/FhK t/inzDZmPLF0/hggeq401zZ386GCsBWVz3d7WCbDaehTSsd56 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGIe0xcl6v/RE2JC0FfOFTIBJjyOafapOOZRr5813DL2kYV+ssfWKuJZbsSm6fFx0qe70Xv6h8W9e/OfZNfRMI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:120e:b0:2c2:fe3d:3453 with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2c7b5b68d02mr1215361a91.18.1718751798696; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 16:03:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87msnl4ew0.fsf@gmail.com> <87iky84c23.fsf@gmail.com> <20240617012531.GE12821@mcvoy.com> <0e6792ed-65b0-e2e1-8159-6426a7f15a8d@riddermarkfarm.ca> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 17:03:07 -0600 Message-ID: To: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006b3939061b321692" Message-ID-Hash: KLS4VG5BBHQRQUXCQ2JEB5TLR6NXGRJM X-Message-ID-Hash: KLS4VG5BBHQRQUXCQ2JEB5TLR6NXGRJM X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000006b3939061b321692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 4:50=E2=80=AFPM Greg A. Woods wro= te: > At Tue, 18 Jun 2024 04:52:51 +0000, segaloco via TUHS > wrote: > Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix > philosophy' The Register > > > > That's not > > to diminish the real help of things like autotools and CMake, > > Oh, that strikes a nerve. > > CMake is the very antithesis of a good tool. It doesn't help. I think > it is perhaps the worst abomination EVER in the world of software tools, > and especially amongst software construction tools. > Someone clearly never used imake... Warner -- > Greg A. Woods > > Kelowna, BC +1 250 762-7675 RoboHack > Planix, Inc. Avoncote Farms > --0000000000006b3939061b321692 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 4:50=E2=80=AFPM Greg A. Woods &l= t;woods@robohack.ca> wrote:
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At Tue, 18 Jun 2024 04:52:51 +0000, se= galoco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philos= ophy' The Register
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> That's not
> to diminish the real help of things like autotools and CMake,

Oh, that strikes a nerve.

CMake is the very antithesis of a good tool.=C2=A0 It doesn't help.=C2= =A0 I think
it is perhaps the worst abomination EVER in the world of software tools, and especially amongst software construction tools.
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Someone clearly never us= ed imake...

Warner
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