From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: imp@bsdimp.com (Warner Losh) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 23:29:55 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] Dynamics between BSD and Linux In-Reply-To: <20180202061135.CAEAF156E811@mail.bitblocks.com> References: <20180202034448.GA2796@mcvoy.com> <20180202061135.CAEAF156E811@mail.bitblocks.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:11 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Thu, 01 Feb 2018 19:44:48 -0800 Larry McVoy wrote: > Larry McVoy writes: > > > > It's a bummer because BSD brings minimalism to the table. You can run > > a BSD machine in 128MB and it works. Hell, it used to work great in 4MB. > > I think this is the crux of the issue. As a group gets bigger, > minimalism is hard to maintain. To have a fighting chance you > have inculcate new people in the same minimalism culture and > that takes time. This puts a higher bar to entry. Though even in the early days of Linux, it could run in a slightly smaller footprint. It just grew more quickly than BSD, though retained a better way to subset that let it retain much of the lower end that BSD had grown too large for for many years. > The BSD stuff isn't being taken seriously because the BSD people aren't > > interested in taking new people seriously. Which is a shame because the > > work that Netflix and other BSD people have done is really cool. > > If you think what BSD folks have done is cool, just join in. > Why not ignore the personalities and the popularity contest. > Honestly, most of the heavy BSD contributors do just that. There's drama here and there, but it's mostly away from larger contributors... And so it goes... > Regardless of how we got here, the reality is that BSD at this > point has a tiny footprint in the market. Even Linux has a > small footprint in the desktop + laptop market, compared to > Windows and Mac. BSD isn't even counted separately any more > there. In the server market Linux is basically it. In the > cloud market it is mostly Linux (almost all of it, if you > don't count Azure). In the Mobile+desktop+laptop market, other > than Android, Linux is under 1%. BSD numbers are just in the > noise. > Yet, according to Sandvine, Netflix serves 35% of peak internet traffic, all from FreeBSD. Go figure :) > The reality is that BSD just doesn't matter to most folks. The > same with minimalism. So it goes. [And neither fact matters to > me for my non-pay work.] > Warner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: