On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 10:36 AM Warner Losh wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 10:16 AM Paul Ruizendaal via TUHS > wrote: > >> >> On Jan 27, 2023, at 1:19 AM, Paul Ruizendaal wrote: >> >> The version of X discussed in the paper was apparently part of the 4.3BSD >> distribution tapes: >> >> "The use of X has grown far beyond anything we had imagined. Digital has >> incorporated X into a commercial product, and other manufacturers are >> following suit. With the appearance of such products and the release of >> complete X sources on the Berkeley 4.3 UNIX distribution tapes, it is no >> longer feasible to track all X use and development.” >> >> >> This X is not on the TUHS Unix tree website, nor on the CSRG disks. It >> turns out that there is a directory “src/new” that is not included there. >> It is here: >> >> http://www.retro11.de/ouxr/43bsd/usr/src/new/ >> >> The version of X included with 4.3BSD was X10. I assume this is the >> oldest surviving X Window source code. >> > > There's X10R3 and X10R4 at https://www.x.org/archive/X10R3/ and > https://www.x.org/archive/X10R4/. On the FTP site, there's sym links for > R1, R2, R3, R4, R5, R6, R6.1, R6.3, R6.4, R6.5.1, R6.6 and R6.8 in the pub > directory as well, but they are dead links and correspond to the X11 > releases that are also there, not X1, etc. > > The X10R3 is from Feb 2, 1986. X10R4 is from December 2, 1986. The > retro11.de files are from June 1986, so > are no later than X10R4, and most likely either X10R3 or an internal > snapshot (I've not downloaded them both > to run a diff to see which). > > Google searches for X9, X8, etc aren't at all helpful. > Also interesting to note is that X10 had clu bindings in the CLUlib directory... > Of course the source code for the Blit has survived, as has the source >> code of MGR. The source code for Sunwindows and NeWS is presumably lost? >> > > When I was a Solbroune, we started the OI toolkit with pdb, swm, uib, etc > because Sun refused to license the source code to SunView. Although I had > easy access to SunOS (which I wish I'd saved a copy of now), the SunView > code was never in the building. It was relatively easy to get SunOS sources > for a fee, but much harder for SunView. So I'm less than completely hopeful > here. And NeWS was a fringe thing with a significantly shorter product > life, so I'm even less hopeful there. > > Warner >