From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3249 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2022 23:44:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Sep 2022 23:44:27 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AD642895; Fri, 9 Sep 2022 09:43:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ua1-f44.google.com (mail-ua1-f44.google.com [209.85.222.44]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9493642892 for ; Fri, 9 Sep 2022 09:43:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ua1-f44.google.com with SMTP id s5so89454uar.1 for ; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 16:43:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=XULwR9JcIdD4zeAIqegmzDK9AKKt37MPVdfgCXmtEYc=; b=JQUmWtnqoZS3iCxCmnOBb7Tgl1skRylK+oAirBGJ+4L9PO0jVAEFtJIgiJXC6ftCyP mjbdiG53PlmrMh9CsntVPqLGM1caJVyrJPpBc3TDSG52o9GG44MDsJNXfv4jlQvqFVJo 4sb5x8rOME46XIW1EJ9l8gyOmZOr8in8AfwWcM1Bx7gO+A6W5caJRpEEJm7ItWqnYZuB F/fK2JB8r3ip/EEt9VtLcUyPxRHH84F2uKpl0RfASe6AStsolV4bo+g9gp7OZMH+2r+k OWvw6ehfqY5CdRBclo4/67iP78wgrJmfXC3+mqVSUt1xij/8ENeApdczLOuofEJg9gQd vGNQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=XULwR9JcIdD4zeAIqegmzDK9AKKt37MPVdfgCXmtEYc=; b=Egc7arEo3sddyiyRsfjZiGcF2qFWRuXbR9N91F55dgoWYc71MJLSLyrX4YQFBKjcbG 6rw1NNBOIpqBTeL8OP+EiabNHSD84pPJoYloFRfe6xv30CgAB5e6k1I8tpcd13hKfo02 X/Wr7VkkE8LYkniYZORWIsz+Y7oITxCYj12A7V6VutUCxAZDJRkmdVUAq7Cw1tGtbL6b wXXFv5aNQ+Vginsfpb+6eQh0NS+2IeNZpaXBl6OpKZ6rephd1HzF9F5z5VKVsKToc5zg jS1i4zmm+Lz0mCzBnlTu6q+KtHfVBZbYvyfhwZ+EKQ91HLzvN8Bd1jg/JkQB+9XP4VdJ TsUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo3kOQxZJ1h5H5HzDv+cmRs3CspGLR0sZvWUpo4WD7Yx5vA4qAV7 2HpiuQ+0bv2hruGcrmpcAG8V1r3MeBgVtymkulBKv466lXFiUQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR6GK6QI1hwQJXIcz/hOpswYEWRg6s/NwAaLNSv2PkYaGJnX7LY28oQ7J/mT+8SuCG50zqjA6rr0IwLVdMB/K7k= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:2067:0:b0:387:984d:4a8e with SMTP id 94-20020a9f2067000000b00387984d4a8emr4192167uam.60.1662680566556; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 16:42:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20220908221639.GR11929@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 17:42:35 -0600 Message-ID: To: Steve Nickolas Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008b841605e832fc09" Message-ID-Hash: 5ONIMRCF2RMLYLUYWYRJ4WGLIYZL2FON X-Message-ID-Hash: 5ONIMRCF2RMLYLUYWYRJ4WGLIYZL2FON X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: TUHS X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Re-implementations/Clean-Rooms et al. List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000008b841605e832fc09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:29 PM Steve Nickolas wrote: > On Thu, 8 Sep 2022, Warner Losh wrote: > > > But it likely didn't matter, since 32v likely lost its copyright > > protection due to AT&T distributing too many copies without the required > > copyright markings. At least that was the preliminary ruling that caused > > the suit to be settled... AT&T didn't want it finalized, though the cat > > was somewhat out of the bag at this point... > > It would be nice if that were an absolute rather than a probably, because > then the status for 32V wouldn't be clouded. > It would be nice. At this late date, one wonders what would happen if it were litigated again... I suspect that nobody would bother given the small possible gain and the huge expense... But it would also reduce shareholder values to explicitly say there's no copyright here or to clarify that the ancient licenses are valid. So we're in this state where it's basically free and clear, treated like it's free and clear, but really isn't free and clear. Warner --0000000000008b841605e832fc09 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 5:29 PM Steve = Nickolas <usotsuki@buric.co>= wrote:
On Thu, = 8 Sep 2022, Warner Losh wrote:

> But it likely didn't matter, since 32v likely lost its copyright <= br> > protection due to AT&T distributing too many copies without the re= quired
> copyright markings. At least that was the preliminary ruling that caus= ed
> the suit to be settled... AT&T didn't want it finalized, thoug= h the cat
> was somewhat out of the bag at this point...

It would be nice if that were an absolute rather than a probably, because <= br> then the status for 32V wouldn't be clouded.

<= /div>
It would be nice. At this late date, one wonders what would happe= n if it were
litigated again...=C2=A0 I suspect that nobody=C2=A0= would bother given the small possible
gain and the huge expense..= . But it would also reduce shareholder values
to explicitly say t= here's no copyright here or to clarify=C2=A0that the ancient licenses
are valid. So we're in this state where it's basically fre= e and clear, treated like
it's free and clear, but really isn= 't free and clear.

Warner=C2=A0
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