From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 063ff317 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A73219BF77; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 02:17:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 497899BFC5; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 02:16:38 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="TXnJXttK"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 2C2D19BFA1; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 02:16:36 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f181.google.com (mail-qt1-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C18F9BF63 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 02:16:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f181.google.com with SMTP id d2so504380qtr.4 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:16:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MRdE0jdGCFiJQEFMi7BUYWyAO/P8OGYl+Eay7wWHxcw=; b=TXnJXttKrWhF+yoM2hqudR6mXiebY9jJjKWZGUKajxlE+MFYvPaH0Zo5D+Xl25S5uw jWTN1S/FRnnZtklAmi+ltfw5fGHGrJgIgcBghOHzQA6ceE4RV8GoYtSfGisEUdK2ZjVy /HPCowbYl5Ae02eI766PrN9nB//bZOK6eait1PjrPJhv1a+rw66uUFEEFRhHsJKTksyB WIE2JUFXcBZ8uug3GXp0wXGKBhmPU47OqeJKNaiflnH62bp2TxCPXaVK4NaEi6RKb5mi eM7bFp0l8wKbwz7Y/BwhJ8ET49dk+lgvX/7lT4FHKTEWfTzgnj7/uHN+togsqbqi/txI 8Gyg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MRdE0jdGCFiJQEFMi7BUYWyAO/P8OGYl+Eay7wWHxcw=; b=eI/Ynnl/BSdcSynMfdFuwpvmmXnKxAiwo4SgQznnGOI8rmHlsdp2x4/2J5G0xthHmW tQgDWF4nfm90Z3cvR1EJeGtJmUE6AFYwd0uLaLrPkes9tLXY6SFo7gTrNnFYLiwA9/Tv su7JPmMrVPu1wA9i+WnDc/HNaAPALhNv1ZXei04MPzYnjVfppkR3M95mAWxidFBb3EMB uxJ3lfjat53ahlKXBjQSuS6ZZfkPHelhj5jaQ7ZrrYjTzI3Bg4yxSi6nz8rAjvroqb4R VaBzqfQhCnolBYjnyqBM8HMJ2fkc4gJkCHhpcE9845xA5ImBJSy9G6mwLvOyVvIENEFh y2ZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVzS/THLDfvTEuk+EMLC/jEHtTSTl77XN/ISBQT25sugGBKrH86 ernZ0pHgvNG21PYYLAvYso9rM2fIuayHLdXMYjcCFQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyKgRxALY20j/uRUm8z/hWJK5WRtDCh6jMK2oz92UHjriin43kHx6xGUKhZleMZJ8DQPtKyYPm50j2lb2rHxhc= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:2bca:: with SMTP id n10mr420414qtn.242.1568650584221; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:16:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190915232524.9A5491570CE9@mail.bitblocks.com> <7F62BF6B-8FEA-4C43-9E35-05BDE9BF04EA@ccc.com> <20190916023738.F34E81570CE9@mail.bitblocks.com> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:16:12 +0100 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d97eed0592adecea" Subject: Re: [TUHS] INed/Rand Editor/Ned [was Re: My EuroBSDcon talk (preview for commentary) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000d97eed0592adecea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 3:53 PM Clem Cole wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:37 PM Charles H. Sauer > wrote: > >> The first Unix I used was PC/ix on an XT. I don=E2=80=99t know it even h= ad vi, >> but it had INed, which I assume was the ISC evolution of NED & Rand Edit= or. >> > Yes, that is correct. > Venix had vi. At least 2.0 pulled that in from Berkeley... I got to look at the source to a few other editors of the era. All has the terminal codes hard coded into them... it was common to do that before things like termcap... Warner > --000000000000d97eed0592adecea Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, 3:53 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:


On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:37 PM Charles H. Sauer= <sauer@technologists.com> wrote:
The first Unix I used was = PC/ix on an XT. I don=E2=80=99t know it even had vi, but it had INed, which= I assume was the ISC evolution of NED & Rand Editor.=C2=A0
Yes, that is correct.=C2=A0

Venix had v= i. At least 2.0 pulled that in from Berkeley...

=
I got to look at the source to a few other editors = of the era. All has the terminal codes hard coded into them... it was commo= n to do that before things like termcap...

Warner=C2=A0
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