From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2014 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2022 20:59:08 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 2 Jul 2022 20:59:08 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65D140D8B; Sun, 3 Jul 2022 06:58:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-f170.google.com (mail-vk1-f170.google.com [209.85.221.170]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E11340D88 for ; Sun, 3 Jul 2022 06:58:43 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-f170.google.com with SMTP id b81so2756362vkf.1 for ; Sat, 02 Jul 2022 13:58:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=VszDKfWADwje4svNvDwZ9U5rBbebTfQtDrmymlTv0Ls=; b=XopeEEq21AfUn8wmq16/a8jOiZaP9tVTXDE4KfxwHfa38dwVjAlx1Sg6b3SwQ0qV73 DKC9HbMLkAfH29Scvc1yCUeeEncTcJ0Qen1Y1i/4z4Y+e/PDjlbiF0in7zCTgwlhwgpc PVNha0ofVK9lf/dr41slHdyzX9fxX9Yz+/7ienOrX2vc/ZGbufoNKHioSk4GWFfLdX2I 7e5Wm8Iogh8Ghwsn9CIYzEVi7ecv53vY0ZKP0pW16AdMR/OCUSEzQauDCJ0fDIJo2+J6 yI6kdOyovavg/akvT4qsjIosS6+mzgYfFNlaXqY7gBIHdli0RhyTXnS6Okdva3WwBvHL dldA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VszDKfWADwje4svNvDwZ9U5rBbebTfQtDrmymlTv0Ls=; b=p3+ZlRHK2ff5aNd5Ob0B/4L6ZeU1J1if/MhVFPc82Kg8khb4fec9Smlloep3J/A07f 9VqSyuoAnVu9p2CdzoAxJG/wr83wxX6jfcAlKaWmv67guVkdnZot07woBFa9M4uXwd8r oAOLr0ZddbwWbOZnr/EUcIkVIEynOydhjxupuiL8S4pOWkqFHXO3WdMwyulT8itzRG9g +Yzkllax+8x2eYdmDdZCGNXyOW3/x5G2kqvFxWm3SzHCXp7aQtgq2/q3UHobjqTIVy4h Tg2lfI2k+xF70OR/5nsWCXZBdem9aCbWFSF1NBY5NtA+eX7C8+nmO85IVweJvnfEGizV V0kQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora9ytU0EIPtV6Eznzq4cR2NoC9NIzAvBAMygX1MElJHSwtreFEDt TtqEyhsTTQHX+cQBDkA4iQMrsK4UG15KOZQZv2a8mGORl4c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1vO1TdyXnirf1cpfJoLKScolskf2gEDU+tH9di1BKNMZnMcCm06g0a5APetPinuRAAV313a8QK5ie1U6jxome0= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:1bc8:0:b0:36c:a88c:961a with SMTP id b191-20020a1f1bc8000000b0036ca88c961amr14168910vkb.2.1656795462016; Sat, 02 Jul 2022 13:57:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 14:57:31 -0600 Message-ID: To: Marc Donner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fab73105e2d8c04b" Message-ID-Hash: LEC2FKIHNR6DPWUUPXJJH7OIDDPOF6SI X-Message-ID-Hash: LEC2FKIHNR6DPWUUPXJJH7OIDDPOF6SI X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Thoughts on Licenses List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000fab73105e2d8c04b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Before we go inventing our own thing, let's just add spdx tags and metadata..... there already is a standard for this. Warner On Sat, Jul 2, 2022, 1:09 PM Marc Donner wrote: > I would call that top level directory "metadata" ... the licensing stuff > is quite relevant to the owner and operator of the system, but not directly > relevant to any of its actual content or function. > ===== > nygeek.net > mindthegapdialogs.com/home > > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 2:17 PM Clem Cole wrote: > >> As part of some of simh work, I've been immersed in some licensing >> discussions. Thanks for the V8-10, Plan-9 and Inferno notes - they are >> relevant. >> >> Anyway, WRT to TUHS, I'm thinking that at least in the case of the Unix >> style bits, I propose a small change to Waren's top-level directory. Add >> a new dir called something like 'Legal Docs' or 'Copyrights+Licenses'. >> Then move the Caldera document and Warren's current note into that area. >> Then add copies of anything we can collect like the Dan Cross's V8-10, >> anything WRT to Plan9/Inferno or anything we from the UNIX world - such as >> something Sun, DEC or HP or like might have added. Maybe add a >> subdirectory with the AT&T/USL case details. And maybe add a >> sub-directory with known FOSS licenses used by the UNIX community and add a >> copy of the 3-clause BSD and maybe even the two GPLs. >> >> Then update the README in the current top-level dir. Adding to the >> contents something like "*the IP contained on this website is covered by >> different licenses depending on the specific IP. Copies of these can be >> found with the source code itself, but have also been all collected >> together in the top-level directory: ...*." >> >> I think these all have both historical values, as well as practical >> values. As I said, I was not sure myself and I think other would be less >> ignorant if they could find it all easily. In the case of the practical, >> a for instance, in an email with some lawyers last week, I had pointed them >> at the Caldera document. I'ld have loved to have been able to say look in >> this directory. The Caldera and later Nokia Licenses are what we are >> considering as examples. >> >> Thoughts? >> > --000000000000fab73105e2d8c04b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Before we go inventing our own thing, let's just add = spdx tags and metadata..... there already is a standard for this.

Warner=C2=A0

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022= , 1:09 PM Marc Donner <marc.don= ner@gmail.com> wrote:
I would call that top level directory "metadata&= quot; ... the licensing stuff is quite relevant to the owner and operator o= f the system, but not directly relevant to any of its actual content or fun= ction.


On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at = 2:17 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
As part of some of simh w= ork, I've been immersed in some licensing discussions.=C2=A0 Thanks for= the V8-10, Plan-9 and Inferno notes - they are relevant.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Anyway, WRT to TUHS, I'm thinking that at least=C2=A0i= n the case of the Unix style bits, I propose a small change to Waren's = top-level directory.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Add a new dir called something like 'L= egal Docs' or 'Copyrights+Licenses'.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Then move the = Caldera document and Warren's current note into that area.=C2=A0 Then a= dd copies of anything=C2=A0we can collect like the Dan Cross's V8-10, a= nything WRT to Plan9/Inferno or anything we from the UNIX world - such as s= omething Sun, DEC or HP or like might have added.=C2=A0 Maybe add a subdire= ctory with the AT&T/USL case details.=C2=A0 =C2=A0And maybe add a sub-d= irectory with known FOSS licenses used by the UNIX community and add a copy= of the 3-clause BSD and maybe even the two GPLs.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

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Then update the README in the current top-level dir.=C2=A0 =C2=A0A= dding to the contents something like "the IP contained on this webs= ite is covered by different licenses depending on the specific IP.=C2=A0 Co= pies of these can be found with the source code itself, but have also been = all collected together in the top-level directory: ...."
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I think=C2=A0these all have both=C2=A0historical=C2=A0values, a= s well as practical values.=C2=A0 As I said, I was not sure myself and I th= ink other would be less ignorant if they could find it all easily.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0In the=C2=A0case of the practical, a for instance, in an email with s= ome lawyers last week, I had pointed them at the Caldera document.=C2=A0 I&= #39;ld have loved to have been able to say look in this directory.=C2=A0 Th= e Caldera and later Nokia=C2=A0Licenses are what we are considering as exam= ples.

Thoughts?
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