From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7438 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2021 15:37:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Apr 2021 15:37:25 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 64E329CA32; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 01:37:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306C39C641; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 01:36:29 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="VwH3PIPt"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A0FDA9C641; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 01:36:27 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f41.google.com (mail-qv1-f41.google.com [209.85.219.41]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6F5C9C63F for ; Mon, 5 Apr 2021 01:36:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f41.google.com with SMTP id 30so4536990qva.9 for ; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 08:36:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aXvr5xusfpbIzEoXrg8AfBDvDx5kT0IE+PQZwDv3rO0=; b=VwH3PIPtBUkuX46riej5PI18Zto5pjMOnwELxMFwHEfCsAsxaWstRDQtZ0ceCx8EkV IjHdqbc3pCYb+RSkcNSdEATaPxf7lMuznY3mBCB+yCUohEL5BanvJFu8HtprRa5LjeIJ PtVkGtvpoTE831xXSWT5w50riHvO2gB/u8fPonR+ZrCz5I6Jjuy7qCpRbBcKqZ0WyDwr OmyDIQ6SJYObAbhmGcrg2l51zj6teUGKYASJIrxqbA0LOcY7xfRrsjK4Jem3ceqh8gmU Vvwb2KHvK3wojdMT50TaA5Qm0DkGuh0g8rnPLDV3FeVqbDXRj50YfmW6IpQVBeh7Wxd8 2W+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aXvr5xusfpbIzEoXrg8AfBDvDx5kT0IE+PQZwDv3rO0=; b=frJHOzd+AVX8yFJiRg9Il9aIT3B3cPuC56uVk6FhuR1FuoO6sCWeZsaoTYRvPiG1zL FLQ2oSdF9lwNVxtKi0JS8h0fJSo53Ui/ZmO2NhZBA1jZoV6F7fBZcVgiwdU+amdqrPFL QNcz++4UeUahi87KWzDKwipgApgHr13dkScgVnBxbjuMUZgWdKDAwB2Ca5Vtuv6OFHoI 3YFcKrGK55I+taFrwhQ4ClRM2jW3G3GNrHOOx5Euh+wKZ2qXYhG9L+kbhXEerMuzWPOj gv4nlasOgUr9n78UCd6rUpRD30X+psAnq94c9H1uAxZ7PYz1d5cr0NR1r2RanDUEp+YP gHkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53235ZgOkCWvceHCYNXuPeC2d8Paxlfirx3tSK8UKK0ZGnmNPQmk yVpQ/h14GVRMvmpzylgEPBMFw3l7qhi5zpdyNSTwCw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwhLD9kFy6H0R3Yoj1CMhWMhxDDX3nemdSwEXmMggqsYaovv/jg5Ur4leFmF0HmgV4okfzVRNKJNf6KvfqoyXA= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:a954:: with SMTP id z20mr20504748qva.29.1617550585475; Sun, 04 Apr 2021 08:36:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <584DED5A-1226-4AF7-A191-C34CAFA53686@pobox.com> <20210404022356.GR28660@mcvoy.com> <20210404085520.GA6494@naleco.com> In-Reply-To: <20210404085520.GA6494@naleco.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 09:36:12 -0600 Message-ID: To: Josh Good Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000dcbde05bf27584f" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000000dcbde05bf27584f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 2:57 AM Josh Good wrote: > On 2021 Apr 3, 19:23, Larry McVoy wrote: > > > all these years later, the best part of my career was at Sun. Sun > > was the Bell Labs of my generation. > > Yes, it looks like in those years inferior Unix vendors were playing a game > of lock-in with their customers, while Sun was playing the opposite game: > attracting users and developers with features, openness and by providing a > more joyful user/developer experience. > > Those who could, used Sun kit. Those not so fortunate, aspired to use it. > A lot of the early open source used to recreate the SunOS commands and args. It's what people were used to. Docs were also accessible in a way that POSIX wouldn't be for a decade .. after that, it grew from there and SunOS started to feel dated. Warner -- > Josh Good > > --0000000000000dcbde05bf27584f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Apr 4, 2021, 2:57 AM Josh Good <pepe@naleco.com> wrote:
On 2021 Apr=C2=A0 3, 19:23, Larry McVoy wrote:

> all these years later, the best part of my career was at Sun.=C2=A0 Su= n
> was the Bell Labs of my generation.=C2=A0

Yes, it looks like in those years inferior Unix vendors were playing a game=
of lock-in with their customers, while Sun was playing the opposite game: attracting users and developers with features, openness and by providing a<= br> more joyful user/developer experience.

Those who could, used Sun kit. Those not so fortunate, aspired to use it.

A = lot of the early open source used to recreate the SunOS commands and args. = It's what people were used to. Docs were also accessible in a way that = POSIX wouldn't be for a decade .. after that, it grew from there and Su= nOS started to feel dated.=C2=A0

Warner


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Josh Good

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