From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 25351 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2020 20:24:06 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 7 Aug 2020 20:24:06 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D84AF9CAA8; Sat, 8 Aug 2020 06:24:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CF79C1D7; Sat, 8 Aug 2020 06:23:41 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="eIDp8p1g"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A67389CA9D; Sat, 8 Aug 2020 06:23:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f176.google.com (mail-qk1-f176.google.com [209.85.222.176]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 143149C1CE for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2020 06:23:37 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f176.google.com with SMTP id d14so2855714qke.13 for ; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 13:23:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=DKBWLjHVciEX02hEDiRoG9KnEeDiT5LDjrYaZEOmH4s=; b=eIDp8p1gjtdCYtVXwVu5EH50g8+2nt2F+VhHJKwnz/A14JEa1c1vVvhnJY9kONs7p5 BUxhD3REIrdG2lgoESFGDMUR+IiAJvoXEb1eyyUawTDSG0O4kja97DBjj5ExsLL5zENV 2FVDnNc5TuzUWUHq1AzlBPPEXRa8kRA1LgAeY6phioptltqVcTjsO4lBYLB6913iVliv DQIgLviVUMuf84dH7ejEF33ErO5WTcBVdlT75pn/IBiviio/xcH8YFvi4+by/O0+Lwvu X8tHpX6h0Ii9UIjore4rfmWRRgCj2+ApOgO5kcJmCOJEDgs3305d9Vtv1WDz0cICvWhC rwWQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=DKBWLjHVciEX02hEDiRoG9KnEeDiT5LDjrYaZEOmH4s=; b=i1k2OHgod4/lYHFk/Qh1X8paH7qJxlo7uIDXFWVPtDv9nAGWA33NbdqjBhV7UHdBY0 JxdPbK1opufQgy9IBGL1poEfdFBvhW3v77fv/FDpvqTXKJIoBnneurDbGS/QJvtlo+Q8 7NT6BS0Fup7Ok6m41vg28xoyMemGS0JIgu4LKegCUsoelG0Kz+iwj025rcKokGxKvbKo HOMQ69PoOCkzKfo1pmpmoLWGKtOC2Pye27lSOqNNBXXe7vZlQ5rrYUF5bnutyO9d8TfR SWVblpzO1o8+5M+tgSs/axiajfPumwq/GnwTUmeJRY9zhwfficsIVPtmIHuRkDCJ/3uY P0Gw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530sO1sPzU+oGXI1u5OxihXOE3fgLRJiC0BZVjgHqOXrWhWqLqEE g1BohBr/9M0pmdUoYsPh5d35U+vdPW4Ry75tpHjIwA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwtMEZRmJgtI4lH4UVDxJj4rfEu6Dbjv2oW18ZmP7Vudc5MUhJPWUtamhDT3auyt06Yfl+Og1UDZeqmr5mDMEs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:565:: with SMTP id p5mr16142362qkp.215.1596831816149; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 13:23:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:23:25 -0600 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002b052d05ac4f61a7" Subject: Re: [TUHS] [COFF] Unix and SW Releases (was V7 et al from Will) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Computer Old Farts Followers , TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000002b052d05ac4f61a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 9:37 AM Clem Cole wrote: > By the time of the 2X releases, UC Berekely had the C30 IMP ( *i.e. *direct > internet connection). So, once you were licensed, you got the keys to be > able to FTP different 'tapes' (which included sources and binaries), be it > 2X or 4X base But, since CSRG stopped focusing on 16-bit, the 2X stuff > became more of labor of love and was a bit less formal and was done with > cooperation with the CSRG team. > 2.8BSD was supposed to be the last PDP-11 release: A final wrapup of everything, according to the release notes. However, there were a lot of PDP-11s in specialized niches that weren't easily replaced by more modern hardware, so 2.9, 2.10 and 2.11 happened as well. The formality of the release seemed to diminish a bit at each step (though that may just be my perceptions). By the time we arrive at 2.11BSD, the tapes were produced by USENIX where you had to send proof of license to get the tape... These releases were driven by Seismo, and the USGS and/or military deployments from everything I've read... Warner --0000000000002b052d05ac4f61a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 9:37 AM Clem C= ole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
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By the time of the 2X releases, =C2=A0UC Berekely=C2=A0had the C30 IMP (= =C2=A0i.e. direct internet connection).=C2=A0 So, once=C2=A0you were= licensed, you got the keys to be able to FTP different 'tapes' (wh= ich included=C2=A0sources and binaries), be it 2X or 4X base =C2=A0 But, si= nce CSRG stopped focusing on 16-bit, the 2X stuff became more of labor of l= ove and was a bit less formal and was done with cooperation with the CSRG t= eam.

2.8BSD was sup= posed to be the last PDP-11 release: A final wrapup of everything, accordin= g to the release notes. However, there were a lot of PDP-11s in specialized= niches that weren't easily replaced by more modern hardware, so 2.9, 2= .10 and 2.11 happened as well. The formality of the release seemed to dimin= ish a bit at each step (though that may just be my perceptions). By the tim= e we arrive at 2.11BSD, the tapes were produced by USENIX where you had to = send proof of license to get the tape... These releases were driven by Seis= mo, and the USGS and/or military deployments from everything I've read.= ..

Warner
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