From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 7aa9afff for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 6DA0793D89; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 01:13:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B611793D58; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 01:13:12 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="F4XFJTgI"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 7E49593D70; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 01:13:10 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f193.google.com (mail-qk1-f193.google.com [209.85.222.193]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C968093D58 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 01:13:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f193.google.com with SMTP id 71so7392945qkl.0 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:13:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LDok/lLYQopzX3nGqey6YDRTfLF4jbsaRDpk+3hBvTI=; b=F4XFJTgIuQo49G9e3e0I6QWAezz4NRpvBzMlZjpxWifSFU+6pbZIqsmYRiyeDD1rBP DwvK5sa3CxWqldnIbwdj96AiuCVz/F0zFgGbpRnwLo6lfEMyAevKQOc2lC7S2yqWVb0g R9fr/evELszNDtQesVyxrxTbSIMBYUczSoQFIsuAlBu/yLBUEysjUn6gVrsM4HieMXfn 4XfHtrGm7oDM0qUAZiFzAFyS6plZJNCRniw3f0KHyBogg9AbHFRR379owSYvg2cG+556 WikfNWtvaDDULMnN3M13+njurgV7lRUU9R15TkcdfUIYiHKjBXSNkTgINyEqkHrj2Ysd N6eQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LDok/lLYQopzX3nGqey6YDRTfLF4jbsaRDpk+3hBvTI=; b=ZrbIUhoymS/kJpOse2F6qcmGyyRcRXcLNh8Dty6fjwtBOfm660HH7UYGFaZ24kfSeK uQibipMVqfph9zeX2qV8rlzTWwjIoUWtJr9Hukw+oA5bVj6133cwBk83lHFY11NW+5ef UJjnEgOShKC0QORx5WMqwF1SMr7DCbJ/g4GiylhvjPtsWxviaZDTJbpjaUbKvEQOtJWI U5jHYO+oDjsXSEmPWlGxj/iesnb+pEAQ4zXyFWLQZTUYLn0fmro3N/ZjEAce/8otTr8w T2x4SBoPE/Kj1tJh4567ZLpkejNWZS+ZiO5FZoDeLgn/7rHRv7fpXJG4vdUUlkkUdCNo FbSw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV7RJpzAaDwVOwSr13rL8t33LxyEvFUcYElYxOkdK5iF4qtun0E KlductwgkK+JmrY9SyQnvswP97Wtap0L6/FPoSq6pA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxqrmBIzlMgGPqM7TXBG+L7TDhXmZQHt0f6XPLejXwuTao0Hz7WPbuAzY3yCaeYaxh46g+a0I6DzQj5HbpmLmc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:4e41:: with SMTP id c62mr5735104qkb.215.1572534788675; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:13:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191029040434.GA29996@minnie.tuhs.org> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 09:12:57 -0600 Message-ID: To: Tom Lyon Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000079f42a05963649d6" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Unix, IBM, 370 X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000079f42a05963649d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 9:57 PM Tom Lyon wrote: > Hi, folks. Tom Lyon here - this UNIX 370 stuff was recovered by Stephen at > LCM+L from DECtapes that I've had sitting around for 40+ years. > You can read all about the Princeton/Amdahl project here: > https://akapugs.blog/2018/05/12/370unixpart1/ > > If anyone wants to get serious with the code, you'll need Hercules with a > VM/370 image as well as a PDP-11 emulator running V6. There's not a lot > beyond the kernel, I got the shell working enough to prove that fork > worked, and then ran out of steam because of the awful communication > problems between the PDP and the IBM. [ But that was my start as a > networking guy ]. I personally haven't had time to do anything with the > recovered bits. > > I've been lurking on TUHS for a while - a special Hi to Ken Thompson and > Steve Johnson. I owe a lot to each of them. Read about my summer at Bell > with the Interdata 8/32 here: > https://akapugs.blog/2018/05/16/belllabspart1/ > These are interesting bits that add to the flavor of what we know already. Thank you for taking the time to write this up... One interesting thing from this. Your UNIX 370 port was started before the Wollongong Interdata port. Your work on Unix 370 started in August of '75, but the Wollongong port started in November '76 and was put into production in July '77. And we have the TSS/370 port described in the BSTJ, and the Bell Lab's Intersil 8/32 port. It makes me wonder what other porting efforts had started in the 75-78 time frame.... Warner > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:04 PM Warren Toomey wrote: > >> All, the second Unix artifact that I've been waiting to announce has >> arrived. This time the LCM+L is announcing it. It's not the booting PDP-7. >> >> So, cast your eyes on https://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Distributions/IBM/370/ >> >> Cheers, Warren >> >> P.S Thanks to Stephen Jones for this as well. >> > > > -- > - Tom > --00000000000079f42a05963649d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 9:57 PM Tom Lyon <pugs@ieee.org> wrote:
Hi, folks. Tom Lyon here - this UNIX 370 stuff was recovered by = Stephen at LCM+L from DECtapes that I've had sitting around for 40+ yea= rs.
You can rea= d all about the Princeton/Amdahl project here:=C2=A0https://akapugs.blog/2= 018/05/12/370unixpart1/

If anyone wants to get serious=C2=A0with the code, you'll need Hercu= les with a VM/370 image as well as a PDP-11 emulator running V6. There'= s not a lot beyond the kernel, I got the shell working enough to prove that= fork worked, and then ran out of steam because of the awful communication = problems between the PDP and the IBM.=C2=A0 [ But that was my start as a ne= tworking=C2=A0guy ]. I personally haven't had time to do anything with = the recovered bits.

I'= ;ve been lurking on TUHS for a while - a special Hi to Ken Thompson and Ste= ve Johnson. I owe a lot to each of them. Read about my summer at Bell with = the Interdata 8/32 here:=C2=A0https://akapugs.blog/2018/05/16/belllabspar= t1/

These are interesting b= its that add to the flavor of what we know already. Thank you for taking th= e time to write this up...

One interesting thing f= rom this. Your UNIX 370 port was started before the Wollongong Interdata po= rt. Your work on Unix 370 started in August of '75, but the Wollongong = port started in November '76 and was put into production in July '7= 7.

And we have the TSS/370 port described in the B= STJ, and the Bell Lab's Intersil 8/32 port. It makes me wonder what oth= er porting efforts had started in the 75-78 time frame....

Warner
=C2=A0
On Mon, Oct 28, = 2019 at 9:04 PM Warren Toomey <wkt@tuhs.org> wrote:
All, the second Unix artifact that I've been waiti= ng to announce has
arrived. This time the LCM+L is announcing it. It's not the booting PDP= -7.

So, cast your eyes on https://www.tuhs.org/Archiv= e/Distributions/IBM/370/

Cheers, Warren

P.S Thanks to Stephen Jones for this as well.


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- Tom
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