From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [IPv6:2600:3c01:e000:146::1]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504C523F1F for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 03:43:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A83427E3; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:43:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-pj1-x1033.google.com (mail-pj1-x1033.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1033]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1E47427C5 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 2024 11:43:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-pj1-x1033.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2c7aafe5d2aso286523a91.1 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:43:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1718761394; x=1719366194; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=TUgvS0obGuMwEoq+yJPYEP4H9L9RlZ3QDAr1F2w4Vgo=; b=W9M9JGgxXgnmvz9uwv1aGu8/HrR2jU3sn6ZCL8+WgYyWjxrGRZRj7PViuJjX8YaJE9 5deECXRsnp9VdEMbFGfrSQDGnB8muwlRnmHCirKTlDSKFB83zzKpmRB/k5tAJJGQBXnd RiYSD3mqEebR/WQhOmnELGt1wva2UDGGM/duN1gaNB99FJA8Si7IOgSNUThkk6yHGC8p MZXq03zkuBY9IJjQOpPAoGrkewyMacWVx96pA3ocyPzq4/RSiRXOOuQqcLyaOkFRxEil 0FR6gtbKdfujrbuIbkLRib0EaIsclgonbRumXKorAjK8x3wvCht7/YYqMHgcst+4HwvZ eUPg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1718761394; x=1719366194; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=TUgvS0obGuMwEoq+yJPYEP4H9L9RlZ3QDAr1F2w4Vgo=; b=EpgJ3mBmdyfOIT2349c6l81OUW89Hq2aM1pJql4B2nZVKPnXehemLsPOAMaUK6OhJ0 jugHfyopX5n4krS8saQZQTee/Ej+uO34p41uJOkycLqOd94ZFCL80cKhh6T7ITQ46fjl hVUEBI3TFJ2WGxYzXqRy2fySxUeYdW03hksOBH5cWDTlMC4Mpq8Q8yYsVCy7pozUTXhU WJbJAqd/YMwp0HBT5ABl/ygwKmmqRiyVLc/+ypbDft0NryXMrbvKqjW5w1CGd6P+ODcA r9PnZiDImXKvEn2VraDqV7OIijxZL3NcalKaV7eb0Q6CQnLZGNy4bMLFJz+w6DPzGSIJ Bi5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyEA1c1hbj+Pe8Ah7hspulr2eMRIRzOSIJfiQKd2CSlqZLoRUHM mcB8x9kA0bZ/XMRpZqCNFYhPs/VTE+JAefb4dzARbCBb/p7MaafmhLbVQehpxlgd63PHTispnC+ DxdPZT1ALnrPnpWvU3udVj7ZEpcWAoMyKc3eFMYdkced8awFjVvk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IF01AmFA1miPHiTuRf8rGrQHZR9nz3o51EVSYVQXGaeQwT/ZKlBXkj+f9m54Cho42GiJdW15WMyixAWV8gLPuw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:ec08:b0:2c2:d66d:1b8c with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2c7b3bdef33mr1868215a91.20.1718761393966; Tue, 18 Jun 2024 18:43:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87iky84c23.fsf@gmail.com> <20240617012531.GE12821@mcvoy.com> <0e6792ed-65b0-e2e1-8159-6426a7f15a8d@riddermarkfarm.ca> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 19:42:59 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000576a58061b3452cd" Message-ID-Hash: NM53PHR2WDBJVZ5VEKL3HTH6ZXU3BQM6 X-Message-ID-Hash: NM53PHR2WDBJVZ5VEKL3HTH6ZXU3BQM6 X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Version 256 of systemd boasts '42% less Unix philosophy' The Register List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000576a58061b3452cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 7:38=E2=80=AFPM Greg 'groggy' Lehey = wrote: > On Tuesday, 18 June 2024 at 17:03:07 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 4:50=E2=80=AFPM Greg A. Woods = wrote: > >> > >> CMake is the very antithesis of a good tool. It doesn't help. I thin= k > >> it is perhaps the worst abomination EVER in the world of software tool= s, > >> and especially amongst software construction tools. > > > > Someone clearly never used imake... > > I've used both. I'm with Greg (Woods): cmake takes the cake. > Cmake actually works though... Warner Greg > -- > Sent from my desktop computer. > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key. > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft mail program > reports problems, please read http://lemis.com/broken-MUA.php > --000000000000576a58061b3452cd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 7:38=E2=80=AFPM Greg 'groggy= ' Lehey <grog@lemis.com> wr= ote:
On Tuesday, 18 June 2024 at 17= :03:07 -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2024, 4:50=E2=80=AFPM Greg A. Woods <woods@robohack.= ca> wrote:
>>
>> CMake is the very antithesis of a good tool.=C2=A0 It doesn't = help.=C2=A0 I think
>> it is perhaps the worst abomination EVER in the world of software = tools,
>> and especially amongst software construction tools.
>
> Someone clearly never used imake...

I've used both.=C2=A0 I'm with Greg (Woods): cmake takes the cake.<= br>

C= make actually works though...

Warner


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