From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14889 invoked from network); 9 May 2023 04:24:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 May 2023 04:24:18 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376F241486; Tue, 9 May 2023 14:24:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B06674145D for ; Tue, 9 May 2023 14:24:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-50bcb4a81ceso9763780a12.2 for ; Mon, 08 May 2023 21:24:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1683606241; x=1686198241; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=VeP66Z8lN8kyUK4+ixWeac/VnVumGFzKfAM16z7XR1E=; b=hCBhkqTpLteVdmCkyG6GlyssIYapHCHE0PdsOlD/XOEoKRY8wm6qQd/gj72flZpLgO 4nCxQZh8nnmHAJFLP+DiVbvh0aY7Wob5kZE8K77paLPXuMgU/rvIuEtjtxMRspAXNEh+ jqjJoM04TouetBEA94mxvVS4p8iMhm+tiFrQA8VFJDjY6E3LpgNvxFGy0ZPMddVW/2Sb nVHyb6RtL0MSWwPaE+bn7twscaJYdSW05rHMLBWkFYqEp/tiTQb9G1SW7qsl9HQaLgdV aEA7asS3zETXyT+u29xCWFvALR9Bsr6c2sTXzpuIb5xlLMtOACUm4rXa2jKLuZjsHmcL TNDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1683606241; x=1686198241; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=VeP66Z8lN8kyUK4+ixWeac/VnVumGFzKfAM16z7XR1E=; b=JujTbImmilqZo7YMl+YkjFyjgfftprRtUZLebm7UgThVfbNTF5+J6gsbVUtJJyIS8/ GW3rq9ikzjwQfbcelPH1V584Eh1NPHzfShH0QXAY0ywQxbd+eCQSTXxKdpM/OTNfdAVs Pf1gEzmoUIkQRWpJF3ObTwcapvKieC6KcbIKIBmPosRCEaF29ikIg/8c5YeWzqFUrlwU zV/DXI03FSC1T4wahB20LN87ls0OGlunpnIKtjcpFxFWZnv6AQxZ/OnG+5Js1/Wc0gZb X6S3SNFdA5qZZ15z8yq55rdhX+tHkoQiZU3PbX7nZT7FLk6nlJxcjxXtgo5MKIsNqILb otcg== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDyCNgW/nt/Hc5gey85+x7MqavLnoVzhyuJ4t3noWjzPlIhQ+UG+ btNNOxK46STpoOIa8z3MSQlmnfVD4NRHU4mPRYkpyA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ4OdbjTdoT8fMe47gyIvEjdcBii7vhCTtxsV8oJ2ltPundaCoRIoyIqHZX+vNy1A+AZL1Wh7xNnGhWB7Ghxzv0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:2d09:b0:966:4d75:4a44 with SMTP id gs9-20020a1709072d0900b009664d754a44mr6048227ejc.24.1683606240738; Mon, 08 May 2023 21:24:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202305082233.348MXrVC057305@ultimate.com> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 22:23:49 -0600 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ebe93605fb3b1fce" Message-ID-Hash: OOMRYKOWQVJ7GYR7KGHDOSSYF725OTP3 X-Message-ID-Hash: OOMRYKOWQVJ7GYR7KGHDOSSYF725OTP3 X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: The Gnome and Its "Secret Place" List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000ebe93605fb3b1fce Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, May 8, 2023, 9:32 PM segaloco via TUHS wrote: > > > In the midst of my documentation research, I've done a little analysis > on the life and times of this whimsical little phrase which first appeared > in the "HOW TO GET STARTED" or basinf section of the Third Edition manual > (a derivative of the original login(VII) page): > > > > > "When you type to UNIX, a gnome deep in the system is gathering your > characters and saving them in a secret place." > > > > > > No sign of a login(VII) page in my "Program Generic PG-1C300 Issue 2" > > manual (no page, no entry in table of context, or permuted index). > > By that point the quoted section was likely in the intro preceding the TOC > and permuted index. The login(VII) page only survived the first two > editions, but portions of it were augmented into the secondary part of the > introduction starting with the Third Edition manual. > > https://gitlab.com/segaloco/v2man/-/blob/master/man7/login.7 > > vs > > https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V3/man/man0/basinf > > This basinf file persisted until somewhere between V6 and V7 when it was > merged with intro. > I wonder if this is why the default root password on Venix is gnomes? Warner > - Matt G. > --000000000000ebe93605fb3b1fce Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, May 8, 2023, 9:32 PM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
> > In the midst of my documentation research= , I've done a little analysis on the life and times of this whimsical l= ittle phrase which first appeared in the "HOW TO GET STARTED" or = basinf section of the Third Edition manual (a derivative of the original lo= gin(VII) page):
>
> > "When you type to UNIX, a gnome deep in the system is gather= ing your characters and saving them in a secret place."
>
>
> No sign of a login(VII) page in my "Program Generic PG-1C300 Issu= e 2"
> manual (no page, no entry in table of context, or permuted index).

By that point the quoted section was likely in the intro preceding the TOC = and permuted index.=C2=A0 The login(VII) page only survived the first two e= ditions, but portions of it were augmented into the secondary part of the i= ntroduction starting with the Third Edition manual.

https://gitlab.com/segaloco/v= 2man/-/blob/master/man7/login.7

vs

https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-b= in/utree.pl?file=3DV3/man/man0/basinf

This basinf file persisted until somewhere between V6 and V7 when it was me= rged with intro.

I wonder if this is why the default root password on Venix = is gnomes?

Warner
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- Matt G.
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