From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 9769 invoked from network); 6 Aug 2023 14:19:19 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Aug 2023 14:19:19 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE1D42A43; Mon, 7 Aug 2023 00:19:14 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x12f.google.com (mail-lf1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12f]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7861042A42 for ; Mon, 7 Aug 2023 00:19:08 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-4fe21e7f3d1so6049261e87.3 for ; Sun, 06 Aug 2023 07:19:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1691331546; x=1691936346; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=SRv8bpBl94Q5FFKIqr1Wlj8zNNlacMOnidwMLxYIjHI=; b=qCgZCBC+hTIL4GttmgRV/XIxGLHU82RT4r1XlMOjVgd4sStSdW9cKobxLW7ml+fYSq eFI0X7f91ilDhIIRpqGmsRozpm1CDer0bb4X2nRE93TIKQ53RCGVjmpMlF0dCgV8R7aa 3XNOT2QRAGIBlLqDHYhf/UFo4GwOISoW5LTSL1n7RSrTpHyjbHpJOGpLv6WE3xCNMnv+ 2aZvt3FDQz90MUo1LFLUyCFqXIrHr/IGoxjdgbg/GIoXExxlMejcG76fZrDyMlcRvvXf xMB+GOKYtoQsKOkkaZaCICohTUREMY6yAp1iDHqO6Y2/2xCt2ZfrBalewYkvbdqRPiWI ptuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1691331546; x=1691936346; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=SRv8bpBl94Q5FFKIqr1Wlj8zNNlacMOnidwMLxYIjHI=; b=fklGfxQDPDFeixQv98TXECN8VE0tU0V/HZ1RN0pjNGiTDPxMxpMS8GarYViobDfjnJ l7dOTwNapDWVUjrV/w05FIkgJ161h2N3urimIchzBW/6MEknpsvxA6AQWE+aMBvKNF79 rUB37Jm806IAIfroQMBOZa2iO77xaQERGmZtEyWF7MsLrk0mXUJ35KZVpf8CUvsNE6bh gdco6kZEQKjg2lr0ZOMwgRE3+J8ZOcIaETNpiq42IO48wFGNcZVj4psbcnQnhVJZW/// vjqrDTcrnCXV6IrwsmWy2yjIxPDan36WFrqvAOr8AMJrLidFdSLgLIfD8zHz1pTmSqJz cK+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwYzuZi72VAiyvZBurlgDPgjfnomtOPilPWmmVg6uiKD+IyqbB7 yT3YlgFL/6Ccgayf9XNrIP/BW86VbKerErV2aqonCw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFNy1P5w0opdI1oBO4nDt45/5wBkoKS/WIUE6pgaaUZb0sDTtmEUu9NXZLGoY5bFHtwWSy4gQWqZGm+7T7hkrs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:39c3:b0:4f9:5a61:194f with SMTP id k3-20020a05651239c300b004f95a61194fmr5919399lfu.11.1691331546312; Sun, 06 Aug 2023 07:19:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7C8CADAB-65AA-4841-AFA1-569A9651E56D@planet.nl> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2023 08:19:01 -0600 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000412c5060241d043" Message-ID-Hash: N7EAT2MN2A33KYSIWG7L2B7VZAPDA4QU X-Message-ID-Hash: N7EAT2MN2A33KYSIWG7L2B7VZAPDA4QU X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Paul Ruizendaal , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early multiprocessor Unix List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000000412c5060241d043 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 7:15=E2=80=AFAM Clem Cole wrote: > Paul, the other thing I should point out -- ghg's work was > widely distributed amount the BSD licenses. I somewhat wonder why the Nav= al > Post Grad school's work was not. My guess is that USENIX was still in i= ts > formative stages when the latter did their work, whereas, by the time of > George's hack, BSD/Vaxen was being used for teaching as University > timesharing systems so his 'upgrade' was a cheap solution. > =E1=90=A7 > Also the Naval Post Grad work was on a fairly specialized MP pdp-11/50 system that wasn't super easy to build... plus the paper was declassified, but it's not clear that the code ever was, or even submitted for declassification. It was super early still in the unix sharing culture evolution and wide-spread distribution didn't catch on. Plus, it was for a funky odd custom thing, which limited people wanting to ask for it. Warner --0000000000000412c5060241d043 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 7:15=E2=80=AF= AM Clem Cole <clemc@c= cc.com> wrote:
Paul, the other thing I should point out -- ghg's work was widely=C2= =A0distributed amount the BSD licenses. I somewhat wonder why the Naval Pos= t Grad school's work was not.=C2=A0 =C2=A0My guess is that USENIX was s= till in its formative stages when the latter did their work, whereas, by th= e time of George's hack, BSD/Vaxen=C2=A0was being used for teaching as = University timesharing systems so his 'upgrade' was a cheap solutio= n.
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Als= o the Naval Post Grad work was on a fairly specialized MP pdp-11/50 system = that wasn't super easy to build... plus the paper was declassified,=C2= =A0 but it's not clear that the code ever was, or even submitted for de= classification. It was super early still in the unix sharing culture evolut= ion and wide-spread distribution didn't catch on. Plus, it was for a fu= nky odd custom thing, which limited people wanting to ask for it.
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