From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23909 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2020 01:57:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 12 Oct 2020 01:57:29 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 887449CA7F; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 11:57:22 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1C89CA7A; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 11:56:44 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="YQdncVt8"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0559B9CA7A; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 11:56:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f66.google.com (mail-qv1-f66.google.com [209.85.219.66]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D717893D6D for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 11:56:40 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f66.google.com with SMTP id de3so7740253qvb.5 for ; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 18:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Wx8gI66GJ2rWQWvnS+2KUKhgaFdsslquUsGHHnurEZQ=; b=YQdncVt8B2ZNRZkSYPjZIECFoSmvWtsvJ1/Rbj5MNjUVwiwa9ecLlDGYgynRjvNIlI RKFTECWp6s+IVzOF66CGy8GtKBwNmkus1Cjxv7cL/YaPoJilOMS1UhOA5hUpiyW30BeN ULasnO5SVrUduj/D9d4M1sgq7WzK/7hXrPpdfuR5zsawyvj/QBbN99hVgbeEqI5TzaPz 8jjsytdz5Bx2ag47qy9BvSvclHOCaoH63OAUPJ+rvgVSZ5RtT2CNhNBFQ2JLgHIR7NCZ HEsuM5Eowhnji7tfI63/OXKGjJLlC0OTtPdGJxBDyB4izx3wKs9cQGQzXufxrYDde2uq hU8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Wx8gI66GJ2rWQWvnS+2KUKhgaFdsslquUsGHHnurEZQ=; b=LVDAN6t1w6wM8FhHK/amBpu5hh65BHQduxGxgA82IYjKMrYKsAP4UE1SwUZrtS/dnQ xBkRCwXHJIa23gffz2kcaCR2amUtkFbCO6QvBqkQJFx5otob4dEJyuljj5HERZ5iY9RT tvfMs/pCgH4iWgJmUCffvvqbgepwpR7O7wO11x449xW4PHjZKgnYBuzQb53BQJu9biuD uts9HLnaHrC1XdF1LP/rtsidKiH+2jFCsM5z8mDPhgINtZJyOrn+PbhvNIBBtW46/Uz3 j4l1tD2iIkXRU13Sfwf2Ugq41kBKfcQyzAKyMb/jKpnYsd4CaUtGwC0i+ccVuO9mC3TZ vXYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530FOL3HAktZ3+zkUDNiHnvR2YE4svl5PzpNtjIVIVWTby+DnXD8 cWmRkvL9Z913b96cXu0+keRHh5SsPrmMCADfnZ5arg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyL8YZAgE7NOVilGiy1/5AIWoYtKNNf59rw+IISAgQX71O+qqk1HHjF7HcDgzC4U7wRaVk26dnvON39Lq6OdOs= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:a482:: with SMTP id x2mr23046021qvx.56.1602467799288; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 18:56:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20201010232948.5F33818C0A6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 19:56:26 -0600 Message-ID: To: Dave Horsfall Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f0e23505b16f9b1d" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Fwd: Choice of Unix for 11/03 and 11/23+ Systems X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000f0e23505b16f9b1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 6:55 PM Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, Paul Riley wrote: > > > Mini-Unix has removed 'raw' devices (not sure why, probably seemed > > un-needed), > > If it's relevant FreeBSD hasn't had raw devices for ages (not needed?); No longer needed. Phk removed the need for different types of devices for disks as part of the geom work. It required, though, that unaligned I/O on the block device worked... I > don't know about Penguin/OS because my Debian box is off the air right > now (and my Ubuntu box's video is beyond repair). > Last I checked, linux still had both. Warner > --000000000000f0e23505b16f9b1d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 6:55 PM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, Paul Riley wrote:

> Mini-Unix has removed 'raw' devices (not sure why, probably se= emed
> un-needed),

If it's relevant FreeBSD hasn't had raw devices for ages (not neede= d?);

= No longer needed. Phk removed the need for different types of devices for d= isks as part of the geom work. It required, though, that unaligned I/O on t= he block device worked...=C2=A0

I
don't know about Penguin/OS because my Debian box is off the air right =
now (and my Ubuntu box's video is beyond repair).

Last I checked, linux = still had both.

Warner= =C2=A0
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