From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 05ff3ca1 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 06:25:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 132D99BFE6; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 16:25:55 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243C19BFCD; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 16:25:21 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="etOSejAa"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CC9659BFCD; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 16:25:18 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f169.google.com (mail-qt1-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE4A29BFCC for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 16:25:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f169.google.com with SMTP id g13so14543905qtj.4 for ; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 23:25:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=a7AudXhu9mXNl4uvgdjffY6aOHSLJmyMpGE/ind4MDU=; b=etOSejAauf0fr4wlXyjCNUwnnSLco1tZxry/QKDy5TX855R+pmA778m1WlX47bVze5 WQveO25Vt96BUu2JFEsQ71+3MwUbfkjb5Asrl2WYlgOECivqjIveUgOUPZLhEEfZSEWp Gws50QmyRdYRi5ecqgjdeR1nRRjPr/XNOvRe7LCp1JDJN9PYkuBA9NKcpM4tjMzIKD70 6Oe+S+wPNp7ohxPFDz9B3Tt4rHXCtzj9WLmvtuzcBTGJPCJ+NxzGvLRBaeBcjfwM4trb kBAbPAqCM5XYsg+LOMBoz0Qvf6OthH1vB3nwH3pczv4HXBNl5FPBAt38j53DqsLO2NDK lR0w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=a7AudXhu9mXNl4uvgdjffY6aOHSLJmyMpGE/ind4MDU=; b=PzbDfymIQGvX//BwvKfJ7WLYgZbGmrEaqvgcRj0r5NLm0tAtKUWmCKgy56uS0SJzLr TO32t/QN2fcttaDyhSiil3SnenkeM2oNZtO136TCMG8ENpm0wcDNA/+LEDUI9XcKl4Wu hB1BAHkrFesxrtSQmOG0sajcH8nhD2yaVQHT/gOsyVALmIInWKtbMIDsvqysP0BXvLk1 sx92XRSLCqXVt8HoJLzjwgkbhP5teVSHmI7NvFtyS1taXFfLsMukpHLK5/KyNCx68+gv 4lkCtzh9OChqYmqywqIbhimE8ipjfafMyy5sLWBoqZ9jAJ3yHaM2AJGsJu6pp05FBrhs f8Vw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUIB3kA3hQO57x3Gyj9krWVOzfNlRBSI83wTLT0ARsOqW0XcvdH hyJWls5FpuTRzFfb+BfG3yvxekfCX3J4FfV50tHaAUqf X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxb+c6TYl/wqKCN7j0wT7vBoSvH3JCv3mo44E0eVNuIN0V6XXMNI/6H75BnxbtPgSqy/GCjgHrbyA41rbCE7SU= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:3364:: with SMTP id u33mr21902978qta.187.1568010316259; Sun, 08 Sep 2019 23:25:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 00:25:05 -0600 Message-ID: To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e7b500059218d9bf" Subject: [TUHS] PWB vs Unix/TS X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000e7b500059218d9bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" OK. I'm totally confused, and I see contradictory information around. So I thought I'd ask here. PWB was started to support unix time sharing at bell labs in 1973 (around V4 time). PWB 1.0 was released just after V6 "based on" it. PWB 2.0 was released just after V7, also "based on it". Later Unix TS 3.0 would become System III. We know there was no System I or System II. But was there a Unix TS 1.0 and 2.0? And were they the same thing as PWB 1.0 and 2.0, or somehow just closely related? And I've seen both Unix/TS and Unix TS. Is there a preferred spelling? Thanks for all your help with this topic and sorting things out. It's been quite helpful for my talk in a few weeks. Warner P.S. Would it be inappropriate to solicit feedback on an early version of my talk from this group? I'm sure they would be rather keener on catching errors in my understanding of Unix history than just about any other forum... --000000000000e7b500059218d9bf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
OK. I'm totally confused, and I see contradictory info= rmation around. So I thought I'd ask here.

PWB was s= tarted to support unix time sharing at bell labs in 1973 (around V4 time).<= /div>
PWB 1.0 was released just after V6 "based on" it. PWB 2= .0 was released just after V7, also "based on it". Later Unix TS = 3.0 would become System III. We know there was no System I or System II. Bu= t was there a Unix TS 1.0 and 2.0? And were they the same thing as PWB 1.0 = and 2.0, or somehow just closely related? And I've seen both Unix/TS an= d Unix TS. Is there a preferred spelling?

Thanks f= or all your help with this topic and sorting things out. It's been quit= e helpful for my talk in a few weeks.

Warner
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P.S. Would it be inappropriate to solicit feedback on a= n early version of my talk from this group? I'm sure they would be rath= er keener on catching errors in my understanding of Unix history than just = about any other forum...


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