[TUHS] signals and blocked in I/O

[imp@bsdimp.com (Warner Losh)]

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:18 AM, Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 11:11:56AM -0500, Clem Cole wrote:
> > It's hard because if I/O (like DMA) is in progress, what are the proper
> > semantics to exit/roll back?   When do you stop the transfer and what
> > happens.   When doing direct to/from disk (like a in a real-time system),
> > this can get tricky.
>
> So at first blush, what it seems like is you need a barrier to starting
> more
> DMA's.  You take the signal, the signal changes state to say to the I/O
> system "finish what you are doing but then no more".
>

The I/O subsystem is great at knowing disks, pages and buffers. Lousy at
knowing processes. It has no hooks into, well, anything apart from
FOOstrategy (and if you are lucky first open and last close). And
FOOstrategy is far removed from anything that the process knows about. It
knows about vmpages and open file descriptors. You'd need to plumb
something into the vnode code that could take a request for a signal. Then
that signal would need to go down to the driver somehow. And you'd need to
know what I/O was pending for pages that are in that process, and somehow
have an ID to cancel just those requests. With the layering involved, it
would be extremely tricky. Many of the io completion routines cause more
I/O to happen, especially when swapping.

Plus, modern disks have a hardware queue depth. There is no way to do say
'finish this and do no more' because there's stuff in the hardware queue.
SCSI is sensible and you may be able to selectively cancel I/O
transactions, but ATA is not sensible: you cancel the whole queue and cope
with the fallout (usually by rescheduling the I/Os).


> Or what you do is kill the process, tear down all of the pages except those
> that are locked for I/O, leave those in the process and wait for the I/O to
> get done.  That might be simpler.
>

Perhaps. Even that may have issues with cleanup because you may also need
other pages to complete the I/O processing since I think that things like
aio allocate a tiny bit of memory associated with the requesting process
and need that memory to finish the I/O. It's certainly not a requirement
that all I/O initiated by userland have no extra state stored in the
process' address space associated with it. Since the unwinding happens at a
layer higher than the disk driver, who knows what those guys do, eh?

Warner
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