From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23216 invoked from network); 18 Dec 2023 16:14:00 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 18 Dec 2023 16:14:00 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC9ED43EBC; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 09:08:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x12d.google.com (mail-lf1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12d]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B20F43EBB for ; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 09:08:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-50e270639d9so1610240e87.3 for ; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 15:08:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1702854519; x=1703459319; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=4prUd54ouSnXZcvuWk4rb6cZ3cDLiniP110SZY0QpLs=; b=ouEhrZ02oBaYrPlrl8uhdDp6ZUA5cBSRMLv03hKWFweGRfE95lg4hAHJpZuWnpA+yu h66TYQ61fjMpqOE8XVlSKWSdoZyE9D5h4Kg6vPVTInJL+U9033mwWl7Syq4gKILpobik UL3qZOh4NtUnQPUHD9ldynJq7yRi2DcldzbI7n1TwK3xrWa/zoGQ0ZlsloioQbYHToqB GqkIi/L7v7zhqg+EYBHPImS9HArv0/QAnDWDfrnK/STrLjty9Mnd4bAdlRA9SUB8EOs1 5zDUj7ZZhzIOE5zwHm5TEfkESRQozbnYNZjM56d1qaJVpyVbNlDXrBbV1ihQt9Z70jPG hz3w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1702854519; x=1703459319; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=4prUd54ouSnXZcvuWk4rb6cZ3cDLiniP110SZY0QpLs=; b=vMePT2K1LQAIXAi7tsHtm/pOcbjekS/Q7ASG4KtVHipI75lxDdVl1UHemp98yxcavz Sri60BTxbp61FhJ5BOx3Q+GZ6KI1c2gVSbbsySKW23/KeZurCP5ldpwFGOFs3KZsYE06 uWGvJYf+fQ9yaobLNQ6g1Yj9qFNv07b1oCk3VD/xvnseq46stNojC/YGTPCa0cUptNVQ qpYXHNVf8X0LEkgZ8jg6a9qJWTLQW1BC1tXN/8n3jGQs25N00KjSYs7J/kIqfh8yp0Sz CNd1tHKnIBkW+H5OuxsfwZIyW2ZTWjkL5xT12/QaRE/wMOGbe/xhhHcMgIfiqjFTC8aC UlGA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwgW721T18cEc9eH6xNLxexa2w8/h2nZZ20OxFxvZhRo+grJYqB OZ695iYYN/ToHqG/MqUlYUm4bBNDenUZ24ITxxPlFQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGGfH3veBjk8B6KshDmtHbZFTRMwW5wozTRFBeZ0RjK6QSKA+y9IiwkSgJeVYXIFZuOX+TIp91IEEmSJxvRPIs= X-Received: by 2002:a19:650f:0:b0:50b:c9e7:2942 with SMTP id z15-20020a19650f000000b0050bc9e72942mr6457308lfb.14.1702854519304; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 15:08:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <93ef58b9-b058-4463-b0e6-d2f2f2bf5a55@loomcom.com> <76f6ae7e-20e1-41fa-9fe4-cc22015411bf@mhorton.net> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2023 16:08:27 -0700 Message-ID: To: Ron Natalie Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ba4e07060cbcb671" Message-ID-Hash: 7K6I7NZ5V2ABB5YXCLL5EKHECQAOQKND X-Message-ID-Hash: 7K6I7NZ5V2ABB5YXCLL5EKHECQAOQKND X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Compatibility question List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000ba4e07060cbcb671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 4:00=E2=80=AFPM Ron Natalie wrot= e: > That=E2=80=99s not entirely true. The VT100 could switch modes from 80x= 24 to > 132x14 (the latter was pretty ugly) or with the AVO 132x24. > I recall some VMS programs in v3.2 misbehaving when run in 132x24 mode... Warner ------ Original Message ------ > From "Mary Ann Horton" > To tuhs@tuhs.org > Date 12/17/23, 5:51:00=E2=80=AFPM > Subject [TUHS] Re: Compatibility question > > The concept of a resizable window didn't appear until GUI interfaces. > Originally the hardware terminal had one specific size and vi depended on > the screen being that exact size. I suspect that SVr2 was in that categor= y, > as the Sun merger of SVr4 would have been the reason to incorporate it. S= o > try a 24x80 window and see if it behaves. > > > --000000000000ba4e07060cbcb671 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Dec 17, 2023, 4:00=E2=80=AFPM Ron Natalie <= ron@ronnatalie.com> wrote:
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------ Original Message ------
From "Mary Ann Horton" <mah@mhorton.net>
Date 12/17/23, 5:51:00=E2=80=AFPM
Subject [TUHS] Re: Compatibility question

The concept of a resizable window didn't appear until GUI interfaces. Originally the hardware terminal had one specific size and vi depended on the screen being that exact size. I suspect that SVr2 was in that category, as the Sun merger of SVr4 would have been the reason to incorporate it. So try a 24x80 window and see if it behaves.


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