From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 28022 invoked from network); 9 Mar 2023 23:22:20 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Mar 2023 23:22:20 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1F141339; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 09:22:16 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 154504132A for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 09:22:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id i34so13552602eda.7 for ; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 15:22:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; t=1678404129; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vnYMWYXSjqrYMUoObahNaVAg3rNJw3sU5iOfqSrkNdk=; b=8ReeJlcdxk4yFxHadPUt+uBfelnj+U8a3Ae8fyb7lo1rZdfA9wyfmlnA7rG4ffZMIx aM0zBr4IsgWTBnzuK+XNNbKUnt6fKLEionMFboJw5vsb8HdHGo/QwOiyH1mdRui6uo8S naaYHZFxsSyOlWpp0PLjHkD2hmn6Ff21ejdM44oudl4otabk1C6CH0ch2oGhI5RFesa8 85ZZWRGXU9PIWGMJiqMIlU8eaqTcuYDcj9h0h+NsGlcpw9wrSvwi4cbLCYM/0fnmVMKO 8NLBfTOpilNhF8hBerOCJtKqvr8XCOZBBKkU77oPvWxpcMBkLWNlnn3mP1btypBEnJn8 CTmw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1678404129; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=vnYMWYXSjqrYMUoObahNaVAg3rNJw3sU5iOfqSrkNdk=; b=T4iylgHDCsA2UUWnOHhJsNzB5gtpw/w59eR25DhZWU2IUo71aO5YxXApRzAXWMXicq 1WnSSY+g7jaNq3iYi6BmgbwvzUWh7wff6j95ude8ZL8vp9cVBysJnf9J04Kh8s04Dm1g 67vGC9pjzH4VXZNOt0njptkg0m9+c5ydGhk8P2JN10lkebjD8s5P7fq0dSxzc1CrMxtf /CFNgn0Ja1Jq7g8X/TPJTaDEXc011J5zCPEnwJDnGrfrNvCLagftIo9Oy4BWF06hIFHx ZRgJ8C5KoxfKq8ZLg+h/sFxqjJVI5Z0EAuy4q9odbKHlJ4R4y8+C+jbtyfKEr5Nj9xxR dcig== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUfSX9fg9kueZv8r4VQUC3zyhwJDsiOFEvBhraJF2JS3R6GrQzv Hknk//mn5cV4PyqBWVreoZ36+C81dUlRiAkdfGoog04LqK0sktdf X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+JFUy49MieTHGfdY+NjmgrUZzJPdxa/ZN4s2Yi5wjYsR3phtB1vdlqfovTeLeBxL13TdvinuCXuIOkN06a6aM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:a14:b0:8b1:38d6:9853 with SMTP id w20-20020a1709060a1400b008b138d69853mr11163354ejf.2.1678404128999; Thu, 09 Mar 2023 15:22:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20230309230130.q4I-f%steffen@sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2023 15:21:57 -0800 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e6216005f67fe91f" Message-ID-Hash: JWRETKBMUNL525XRY76MDXHNY5YQRNO6 X-Message-ID-Hash: JWRETKBMUNL525XRY76MDXHNY5YQRNO6 X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000e6216005f67fe91f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 4:18 PM segaloco via TUHS wrote: > GOTO is one of those paradoxical things where I would only trust the most > sophisticated engineer to know when it's acceptable to use a GOTO but on > the flip side would be suspicious of anyone claiming to be an engineer that > uses any amount of GOTOs... > > Were any of the various GOTOs in languages ever meant to be any more than > providing the same level of control that branch statements in assembly do? > Was there ever some vision anyone's aware of concerning a sophisticated, > dependable use of GOTOs? Since my first days poking around learning C GOTO > has been mentally filed away as an assembly vestige for folks in > transition, not a dependable construct in its own right. Any alternative > camps out there? > In C I use it all the time to do goto err for common error recovery because C doesn't have anything better. Warner > - Matt G. > > ------- Original Message ------- > On Thursday, March 9th, 2023 at 3:01 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso < > steffen@sdaoden.eu> wrote: > > > > I wonder if Pink Floyd's Summer68 maybe refers to this. > > Other than that i am addicted and could not live without it. > > The other (terrible) song is from 1984 (east southern US). > > > > --steffen > > | > > |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, > > |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one > > |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off > > |(By Robert Gernhardt) > --000000000000e6216005f67fe91f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 4:18 PM segaloco via TUHS <tuhs@tuhs.org> wrote:
GOTO is one of those paradoxical things where I wou= ld only trust the most sophisticated engineer to know when it's accepta= ble to use a GOTO but on the flip side would be suspicious of anyone claimi= ng to be an engineer that uses any amount of GOTOs...

Were any of the various GOTOs in languages ever meant to be any more than p= roviding the same level of control that branch statements in assembly do?= =C2=A0 Was there ever some vision anyone's aware of concerning a sophis= ticated, dependable use of GOTOs?=C2=A0 Since my first days poking around l= earning C GOTO has been mentally filed away as an assembly vestige for folk= s in transition, not a dependable construct in its own right.=C2=A0 Any alt= ernative camps out there?

In C I use it all the = time to do goto err for common error recovery because C doesn't have an= ything better.

Warner=C2= =A0
- Matt G.

------- Original Message -------
On Thursday, March 9th, 2023 at 3:01 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaod= en.eu> wrote:


> I wonder if Pink Floyd's Summer68 maybe refers to this.
> Other than that i am addicted and could not live without it.
> The other (terrible) song is from 1984 (east southern US).
>
> --steffen
> |
> |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear,
> |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
> |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
> |(By Robert Gernhardt)
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