From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 992b51ee for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 02:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3035A93D23; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:54:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0799478E; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:53:49 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="uxFGPFWz"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 851D39478E; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:53:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f194.google.com (mail-qt1-f194.google.com [209.85.160.194]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81CFE93D23 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 12:53:46 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f194.google.com with SMTP id n7so36352877qtb.6 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:53:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=L5iKx2xfhQH70pW0ipqTKvVRl6wvz0ejb9QCfpO5jcE=; b=uxFGPFWzMHGXZyh2oPQEay2bgmsxdzSDVkytkAGD8LLISLZ+BViiGHUz4UMH9LlB4S kSN5vM6lJwW0a7tjOS15Mj2UWHu6+U3GSw8+ceGUjJ6G2e4Zn84wiHTs7lnmkgLS1P8G Mk67HQx7N4jkvu0rfpdLC0YkrnjdIYoEDSagBvtuEk/7SdEtMxzrX28hKdXmzO0iEaZh HJiv36n/WZxL+9uFzPQbSMAOgqsQ9g6pUpqPTIxCQMS31XP+VSPKPenRivRyoa/EPzBe yz708fGN5nVl01LdQwjySV6u15uFRtXH1zmFmj4GLrMABk8FtgTbKFrPnicbxU2p5zFv u9+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L5iKx2xfhQH70pW0ipqTKvVRl6wvz0ejb9QCfpO5jcE=; b=idxccOAvNMKKH6TgQcTZR72yhd1LnaokVo0pN4A6sJIydQm5s6ZC26SyHCRpoH3W0v Xcw3xcn0w7gbiCkaWA2bMXasNDI204cDufYkfR+jrslbv5YOqTsh+TZhtHgRaHAU1d1R WscqXk1IxTw2QvXw/dusw8sZu8utOP2dx7p5VcfzGKA2lJ4n94iRbteNxgIukRGIBWsG WCj+tX4UwWDX/+aaGZjFfLiBkJOUWqn8qkZgwjvOOpzRrDzKgyQNGD6X0eFcOWisKHTY ivW8zinqJIUAHXk3LeGy6ItKE8o9Pj4ygzFRLDZ1IxQVRE2txPGDJBSKkjo+mygOV1+F gz8A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWPihrrDxG+ETLDe/5NBO28UgBd4t2TEjDOjLSx0Se1IlGaoxlz 699L+VOcCNfM9h8HlI78CsKqQHmVIwp/5yFFv8G+svSv2l8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxkYvknJ6pvIXqsS3amQaxFXv+m2bEb/PSgilGNVsgEtpBmwvwcF3zqEDFLr6S0hlfE9IXvIUWpzfHsW2iSzR4= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:1208:: with SMTP id x8mr5901765qti.32.1568429625507; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:53:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 20:53:34 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000af18af05927a7a20" Subject: Re: [TUHS] a book (was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS) X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000af18af05927a7a20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 7:31 PM wrote: > There needs to be a book with stuff like this. There is no Unix history > book that I have ever seen with the depth of information in threads like > this and others on TUHS. It would be a huge project and hard to tell if > there would me more than just recognition and intrinsic rewards for the > effort -- but maybe that is enough. > I think it would be cool, but we need better data visualization. There's a lot of rich history here that people like me try to boil down to a few ovals and arrows, but the real answer is much more complicated. We need the equivalent to Mindard's analysis of Napoleon's march to Moscow and back to show how things like awk entered, and where, and different 'sub editions' and different lines of code maintained outside the overly simple narrative of V1 -> V2 ... -> V7 -> 32V -> chaos. :) > (As an example, I have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours > researching a small subset: Berkeley Unix history. Attempted to contact > hundreds of historical participants. Interviewed near 100 people; most > by email, but some in person or by phone -- even postal mail! Building a > massive collection of historical data. Read over 30 physical books > covering very small parts of the story. Watched many videos (and notes). > Getting documents scanned and sent to me. It is a very detailed effort > -- such as a single long chapter on the Virtual Vax/UNIX / London/Reiser > / Babaoglu story with 168 citations or the single chapters on the > official unofficial patchkits, lawsuit, etc. -- and there is nothing in > this field to compare it too. I have over 243 bibtex entries already and > 215 citations left to add to my .bib file. During that time, I have > published six other books, some written from scratch. Some have > suggested I use Kickstarter or similar as a financial incentive to > finish it off.) > > Since the Unix story is so huge, a first volume could be up through > System III, for example, but maybe that is too much. > > Anyone know of anyone writing a thorough Unix history book? > I'd be keen to write up what I've found. > Does it make sense to use a kickstarter? > > I may bring up in a different thread, but I am presenting about Unix > history at Dallas Ft. Worth UNIX Users Group soon. They are planning to > have two meetings (different months) dedicated to the history (50th > anniversary). > If they are large enough, I could be persuaded to reprise my EuroBSDcon talk at them, assuming people are happy with how it turns out.... Warner > Jeremy C. Reed > > p.s. Sorry to mention this, but time is running out: > > $ grep -i decease /home/reed/book/bsd-history/PEOPLE | wc -l > 17 > > pps. My other chapters: > > beginning.tex:\chapter{In the beginning ...} > > 2bsd.tex:\chapter{Second Berkeley Software Tape} > > 3bsd.tex:\chapter{Welcome to Virtual Vax/UNIX} > > 2bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{2BSD becomes an operating system} > > 4bsd.tex:\chapter{4BSD} > > 43bsd.tex:\chapter{4.3BSD -- The Internet Server} > > 2bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{The 16-bit 2BSD continues} > > 43bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{To open source BSD} > > commercial.tex:\chapter{Commercial Unixes using BSD} > > 44bsd.tex:\chapter{4.4BSD} > > bsdi.tex:\chapter{BSDI} > > 386bsd.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 1} > > lawsuit.tex:\chapter{Lawsuit} > > patchkit.tex:\chapter{The official unofficial patchkits} > > netbsd.tex:\chapter{NetBSD} > > freebsd.tex:\chapter{FreeBSD} > > 386bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 2} > > bsdi-part2.tex:\chapter{BSDI part 2} > > openbsd.tex:\chapter{OpenBSD} > > netbsd-part2.tex:\chapter{NetBSD -- Part 2} > > dragonfly.tex:\chapter{DragonFly BSD} > > 3bsd-license.tex:\chapter{3BSD Software Agreement (1979)} > > 4bsd-license.tex:\chapter{4BSD Software Agreement (1980)} > > > > ----------------------- > > echo Ohl zl obbx uggc://errqzrqvn.arg/obbxf/csfrafr/ | \ > tr "Onoqrsuvxzabcefghl" "Babdefhikmnoprstuy" > --000000000000af18af05927a7a20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 7:31 PM <<= a href=3D"mailto:reed@reedmedia.net">reed@reedmedia.net> wrote:
<= /div>
There needs to be a = book with stuff like this. There is no Unix history
book that I have ever seen with the depth of information in threads like this and others on TUHS.=C2=A0 It would be a huge project and hard to tell = if
there would me more than just recognition and intrinsic rewards for the effort -- but maybe that is enough.

I t= hink it would be cool, but we need better data visualization. There's a= lot of rich history here that people like me try to boil down to a few ova= ls and arrows, but the real answer is much more complicated. We need the eq= uivalent to Mindard's analysis of Napoleon's march to Moscow and ba= ck to show how things like awk entered, and where, and different 'sub e= ditions' and different lines of code maintained outside the overly simp= le narrative of V1 -> V2 ... -> V7 -> 32V -> chaos. :)
=C2=A0
(As an example, I have spent hundreds if not thousands of hours
researching a small subset: Berkeley Unix history. Attempted to contact hundreds of historical participants. Interviewed near 100 people; most
by email, but some in person or by phone -- even postal mail! Building a massive collection of historical data. Read over 30 physical books
covering very small parts of the story. Watched many videos (and notes). Getting documents scanned and sent to me. It is a very detailed effort
-- such as a single long chapter on the Virtual Vax/UNIX / London/Reiser / Babaoglu story with 168 citations or the single chapters on the
official unofficial patchkits, lawsuit, etc. -- and there is nothing in this field to compare it too. I have over 243 bibtex entries already and 215 citations left to add to my .bib file. During that time, I have
published six other books, some written from scratch. Some have
suggested I use Kickstarter or similar as a financial incentive to
finish it off.)

Since the Unix story is so huge, a first volume could be up through
System III, for example, but maybe that is too much.

Anyone know of anyone writing a thorough Unix history book?

I'd be keen to write up what I've found.
=
=C2=A0
Does it make sense to use a kickstarter?

I may bring up in a different thread, but I am presenting about Unix
history at Dallas Ft. Worth UNIX Users Group soon. They are planning to have two meetings (different months) dedicated to the history (50th
anniversary).

If they are large enough,= I could be persuaded to reprise my EuroBSDcon talk at them, assuming peopl= e are happy with how it turns out....

Warner
=
=C2=A0
Jeremy C. Reed

p.s. Sorry to mention this, but time is running out:

$ grep -i decease /home/reed/book/bsd-history/PEOPLE | wc -l
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 17

pps. My other chapters:

beginning.tex:\chapter{In the beginning ...}

2bsd.tex:\chapter{Second Berkeley Software Tape}

3bsd.tex:\chapter{Welcome to Virtual Vax/UNIX}

2bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{2BSD becomes an operating system}

4bsd.tex:\chapter{4BSD}

43bsd.tex:\chapter{4.3BSD -- The Internet Server}

2bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{The 16-bit 2BSD continues}

43bsd-part2.tex:\chapter{To open source BSD}

commercial.tex:\chapter{Commercial Unixes using BSD}

44bsd.tex:\chapter{4.4BSD}

bsdi.tex:\chapter{BSDI}

386bsd.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 1}

lawsuit.tex:\chapter{Lawsuit}

patchkit.tex:\chapter{The official unofficial patchkits}

netbsd.tex:\chapter{NetBSD}

freebsd.tex:\chapter{FreeBSD}

386bsd-part3.tex:\chapter{386BSD Part 2}

bsdi-part2.tex:\chapter{BSDI part 2}

openbsd.tex:\chapter{OpenBSD}

netbsd-part2.tex:\chapter{NetBSD -- Part 2}

dragonfly.tex:\chapter{DragonFly BSD}

3bsd-license.tex:\chapter{3BSD Software Agreement (1979)}

4bsd-license.tex:\chapter{4BSD Software Agreement (1980)}



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echo Ohl zl obbx uggc://errqzrqvn.arg/obbxf/csfrafr/ | \
=C2=A0tr "Onoqrsuvxzabcefghl" "Babdefhikmnoprstuy"
--000000000000af18af05927a7a20--