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From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 15:31:08 -0600
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:01 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:

> Kevin/Charlie:
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:31 PM Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Charlie, there is some interesting history of the pre-RS/6000 AIX
>> stuff here (you give a quote :)).  Particularly page 41 gives a
>> chronology of UNIX at IBM:
>>
>> https://amaus.net/static/S100/IBM/RTPC/AIX%20Family%20Definition%201989.pdf
>
> Awesome - thank you,
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Prior to AIX the Series/1 had a UNIX port in the early '80s.  I think
>> that work happened in Boca Raton.
>>
> FYI: the original S/1 port was done at Cleveland State with the Seventh
> Edition - the name of the Prof that led it I can not say I remember nor his
> HW configuration, but I do remember his presentation.  It is where the term
> 'NUXI' was coined.  I want to say in 1979 or 1980, they gave a wonderful
> talk about it.   They had some help from folks at Case as they did not have
> a PDP-11 of their own and never seen UNIX before (*i.e.* they arranged to
> borrowed time on a PDP-11 at the EE Dept at Case.  They wrote a new back
> end for the Ritchie C compiler, and recompiled everything, wrote new
> drivers for the S/1 HW and rewrote m40.s as needed.  Then they wrote the
> disks, then drove the packs back to Cleveland State.  IIRC it took a summer
> of work to complete).
>
> FWIW: The PDP-11 has an interesting way it does byte-swapping and when
> they first booted the system, the first message was NUXI which was how the
> S/1 saw the strings.  The term was used from then on in the community to
> describe byte-swapping issues.
>
> I remember all of us in the audience howling with laughter when they
> described their work.    Unfortunately, this was before USENIX kept
> conference proceedings so I'm not sure if the talk and paper were archived.
>
> And the truth is, I wish we had that port in the TUHS archives.
>

Me too. This is a port I had no clue about.... I'll have to put it in my
slides as "S/1 NUXI" :)

Warner

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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:01 PM Clem Cole &lt;<a href="mailto:clemc@ccc.com">clemc@ccc.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Kevin/Charlie:<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:31 PM Kevin Bowling &lt;<a href="mailto:kevin.bowling@kev009.com" target="_blank">kevin.bowling@kev009.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Charlie, there is some interesting history of the pre-RS/6000 AIX<br>
stuff here (you give a quote :)).  Particularly page 41 gives a<br>
chronology of UNIX at IBM:<br>
<a href="https://amaus.net/static/S100/IBM/RTPC/AIX%20Family%20Definition%201989.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://amaus.net/static/S100/IBM/RTPC/AIX%20Family%20Definition%201989.pdf</a></blockquote><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Awesome - thank you,</div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
Prior to AIX the Series/1 had a UNIX port in the early &#39;80s.  I think<br>
that work happened in Boca Raton.<br></blockquote><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">FYI: the original S/1 port was done at Cleveland State with the Seventh Edition - the name of the Prof that led it I can not say I remember nor his HW configuration, but I do remember his presentation.  It is where the term &#39;NUXI&#39; was coined.  I want to say in 1979 or 1980, they gave a wonderful talk about it.   They had some help from folks at Case as they did not have a PDP-11 of their own and never seen UNIX before (<i>i.e.</i> they arranged to borrowed time on a PDP-11 at the EE Dept at Case.  They wrote a new back end for the Ritchie C compiler, and recompiled everything, wrote new drivers for the S/1 HW and rewrote m40.s as needed.  Then they wrote the disks, then drove the packs back to Cleveland State.  IIRC it took a summer of work to complete).  </span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">FWIW: The PDP-11 has an interesting way it does byte-swapping and when they first booted the system, the first message was NUXI which was how the S/1 saw the strings.  The term was used from then on in the community to describe byte-swapping issues.</span></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I remember all of us in the audience howling with laughter when they described their work.    Unfortunately, this was before USENIX kept conference proceedings so I&#39;m not sure if the talk and paper were archived.</div><br></div><div><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And the truth is, </span><span class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I wish we had that port in the TUHS archives.</span> </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Me too. This is a port I had no clue about.... I&#39;ll have to put it in my slides as &quot;S/1 NUXI&quot; :)</div><div><br></div><div>Warner </div></div></div>

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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-09  6:25 [TUHS] " Warner Losh
2019-09-09  6:36 ` arnold
2019-09-10 15:16 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11  0:28   ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11  3:53   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-11 15:36     ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 16:55       ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was " Charles H Sauer
2019-09-12 19:31         ` Kevin Bowling
2019-09-12 20:59           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-12 21:09             ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses - Series/1 NUXI Ronald Natalie
2019-09-12 21:31             ` Warner Losh [this message]
2019-09-12 22:30             ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS jcs
2019-09-12 23:12               ` reed
2019-09-12 23:22                 ` jcs
2019-09-12 23:29               ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses Warren Toomey
2019-09-13  7:06                 ` arnold
2019-09-13  8:30                 ` SPC
2019-09-14 18:29                   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-12 21:29           ` [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS Charles H Sauer
2019-09-11 17:49       ` [TUHS] " Richard Salz
2019-09-11 17:52         ` ron
2019-09-11 21:44           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 18:11       ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-11 18:18         ` Richard Salz
2019-09-11 18:54           ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-11 21:05             ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11 21:34             ` Steve Johnson
2019-09-11 21:57             ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 22:50               ` Arthur Krewat
2019-09-11 21:59           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 21:50         ` Clem Cole
2019-09-11 22:49         ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-12  3:43           ` [TUHS] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-12  4:20             ` George Michaelson
2019-09-12  4:31               ` [TUHS] [SPAM] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-12 13:44                 ` Tony Finch
2019-09-13  4:11                   ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13  5:54                     ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-13  8:00                       ` Peter Jeremy
2019-09-13 15:23                         ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13 21:36                         ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-12  4:28             ` [TUHS] SCCS Jon Forrest
2019-09-12  4:33               ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-12  6:12                 ` William Corcoran
2019-09-12 14:35                   ` Clem Cole
2019-09-13  5:22                 ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-13  5:50                   ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-12 16:45               ` Eric Allman
2019-09-12 17:29                 ` Clem Cole
2019-09-12 17:47                   ` Warner Losh
2019-09-13  8:12                   ` emanuel stiebler
2019-09-13 21:11                     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-13 21:17                       ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-13 21:48                         ` Bakul Shah
2019-09-13 23:12                           ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-13 23:03                         ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-14  1:55                           ` [TUHS] [SPAM] SCCS Larry McVoy
2019-09-16 17:23                             ` [TUHS] SCCS Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-16 20:31                               ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-17 17:57                                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-18  8:48                               ` Eric Allman
2019-09-18 17:33                                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2019-09-12 20:07             ` Nemo
2019-09-11 16:05   ` [TUHS] PWB vs Unix/TS Paul Winalski
2019-09-11 17:14     ` ron
2019-09-14  0:44   ` [TUHS] a book (was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS) reed
2019-09-14  2:53     ` Warner Losh
2019-09-15  2:18       ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15  2:39         ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15  3:24         ` Adam Thornton
2019-09-14 22:46     ` Clem cole
2019-09-15  0:58       ` Adam Thornton
2019-09-15  3:30         ` Eric Allman
2019-09-15  4:21           ` Larry McVoy
2019-09-15  5:17             ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15 20:14               ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 20:21                 ` Jon Steinhart
2019-09-15 20:12           ` Clem Cole
2019-09-15 21:28             ` Dave Horsfall
2019-09-15 23:27               ` Clem cole
2019-09-15 23:45                 ` Richard Salz
2019-09-15  7:43     ` Andy Kosela

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