From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 9c9bddff for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:31:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id AD675948D7; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:31:35 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C7B947B9; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:31:22 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="MixM+Ab+"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3CAD9947B9; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:31:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f169.google.com (mail-qk1-f169.google.com [209.85.222.169]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87BC0946BD for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 07:31:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f169.google.com with SMTP id w2so3191081qkf.2 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:31:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=T5YVoZmIqZ6erx0+8cnxw2F6W/FDuveVCIcvABEyP48=; b=MixM+Ab+/B/inBPv4bq/niM4HujsN6RiqL+uMwZvusAKx05xIpXfD+HsitbUdI8D9M rTGS3FYOOwaz5Jrmibq8dUC/ESIhrY7bpacrQInskDvFNR5BAy+uHEABecexj5NztRbt bmzDeoWGszQ1F/QEGg+F8cDItc6h0tbOsHAgS6PaSBXV5FFVqiTgunk/AjmXD7F0b8wi zZqLDpLENitg9fzfRYveutyJmVQo2jq/s94oC8ETyeLjYk1a2wkrMVgh0YI3LNBnYt+P uFPtZsqI8sURDraHkjoYxzcsI/LTAdNmPcOK7UTswz7o9qL/nrrdzD6DALn0VA61CZs7 gEBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=T5YVoZmIqZ6erx0+8cnxw2F6W/FDuveVCIcvABEyP48=; b=ASnazt3dYltU34YOFBOaaSWBbAeGoZBEiZPQrxF739BKU/hP6mm/UsHmJvT/Y0mbrR dFCyLr75hdEBKp6tOgKpaLjb3K1ST9aHBPJUkuZjtYQJosN02CL8ky7nlPMS43/pJZQi fBqNWWlJV3LZviASCHJsbzr95uxDYNTbLseltbu3Qi1cEHq2K3xY29a/v1JNum8ylW5N 0551BaCjynYQUymPEF6xSCWwfGykBncjCuWpKfTPGeBaIGABz/sQ+j2v+LuHV1WGAbTI dOQ5XUoLZNosdN5z2OJfEoGjYUKUl4KX7j7CKKKD9rhoetXBM7RxbGrQk7GT336dbWwn Frpg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUMfkXuTaJeEmHU7cEZQwWifDHmeMucE+mtRFqffOvdjdkqqLOi AwC0mhSpEvu2x6w4haR+81nJkvELNwOnbwzCoHroWJXWToc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqychcDOS36paA7nH81CMQLco57xWQyzqk6EjR6ZPvBHHEY3Ii/IomaQvTml8AlhxGJrEPQV7Ev0ycowOhMFGYQ= X-Received: by 2002:a37:6787:: with SMTP id b129mr31151569qkc.60.1568323879278; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:31:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 15:31:08 -0600 Message-ID: To: Clem Cole Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b7bb24059261db31" Subject: Re: [TUHS] IBM Unix source licenses [was Re: PWB vs Unix/TS X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000b7bb24059261db31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:01 PM Clem Cole wrote: > Kevin/Charlie: > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:31 PM Kevin Bowling > wrote: > >> Charlie, there is some interesting history of the pre-RS/6000 AIX >> stuff here (you give a quote :)). Particularly page 41 gives a >> chronology of UNIX at IBM: >> >> https://amaus.net/static/S100/IBM/RTPC/AIX%20Family%20Definition%201989.pdf > > Awesome - thank you, > > > >> >> >> Prior to AIX the Series/1 had a UNIX port in the early '80s. I think >> that work happened in Boca Raton. >> > FYI: the original S/1 port was done at Cleveland State with the Seventh > Edition - the name of the Prof that led it I can not say I remember nor his > HW configuration, but I do remember his presentation. It is where the term > 'NUXI' was coined. I want to say in 1979 or 1980, they gave a wonderful > talk about it. They had some help from folks at Case as they did not have > a PDP-11 of their own and never seen UNIX before (*i.e.* they arranged to > borrowed time on a PDP-11 at the EE Dept at Case. They wrote a new back > end for the Ritchie C compiler, and recompiled everything, wrote new > drivers for the S/1 HW and rewrote m40.s as needed. Then they wrote the > disks, then drove the packs back to Cleveland State. IIRC it took a summer > of work to complete). > > FWIW: The PDP-11 has an interesting way it does byte-swapping and when > they first booted the system, the first message was NUXI which was how the > S/1 saw the strings. The term was used from then on in the community to > describe byte-swapping issues. > > I remember all of us in the audience howling with laughter when they > described their work. Unfortunately, this was before USENIX kept > conference proceedings so I'm not sure if the talk and paper were archived. > > And the truth is, I wish we had that port in the TUHS archives. > Me too. This is a port I had no clue about.... I'll have to put it in my slides as "S/1 NUXI" :) Warner --000000000000b7bb24059261db31 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:01 PM Clem = Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
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Kevin/C= harlie:

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:31 PM Kevin Bowling <kevin.bowling@kev009= .com> wrote:
Charlie, there is some interesting history of the pre-RS/6000 AIX
stuff here (you give a quote :)).=C2=A0 Particularly page 41 gives a
chronology of UNIX at IBM:
https://amaus.net/static/= S100/IBM/RTPC/AIX%20Family%20Definition%201989.pdf
Awesome - thank you,
=C2=A0


Prior to AIX the Series/1 had a UNIX port in the early '80s.=C2=A0 I th= ink
that work happened in Boca Raton.
FYI: the origina= l S/1 port was done at Cleveland State with the Seventh Edition - the name = of the Prof that led it I can not say I remember nor his HW configuration, = but I do remember his presentation.=C2=A0 It is where the term 'NUXI= 9; was coined.=C2=A0 I want to say in 1979 or 1980, they gave a wonderful t= alk about it.=C2=A0 =C2=A0They had some help from folks at Case as they did= not have a PDP-11 of their own and never seen UNIX before (i.e. the= y arranged to borrowed time on a PDP-11 at the EE Dept at Case.=C2=A0 They = wrote a new back end for the Ritchie C compiler, and recompiled everything,= wrote new drivers for the S/1 HW and rewrote m40.s as needed.=C2=A0 Then t= hey wrote the disks, then drove the packs back to Cleveland State.=C2=A0 II= RC it took a summer of work to complete).=C2=A0=C2=A0
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FWIW: The PDP-11 has an interesting way it does b= yte-swapping and when they first booted the system, the first message was N= UXI which was how the S/1 saw the strings.=C2=A0 The term was used from the= n on in the community to describe byte-swapping issues.

I remember all of us in the audience howling=C2=A0with laughter when the= y described their work.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Unfortunately, this was before USENIX = kept conference proceedings so I'm not sure if the talk and paper were = archived.

And the truth is,=C2=A0I wish = we had that port in the TUHS archives.=C2=A0

Me too. This is a port I had no clue about.... I= 'll have to put it in my slides as "S/1 NUXI" :)
Warner=C2=A0
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