From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 8613 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2022 21:05:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Jul 2022 21:05:29 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21FCF40613; Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:05:23 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-vk1-f174.google.com (mail-vk1-f174.google.com [209.85.221.174]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F270840120 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2022 07:05:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-vk1-f174.google.com with SMTP id e20so1679108vkm.3 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2022 14:05:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=kdftv0/3VCT93HYffrrmZGxs2gjxFnDnp0ijlKEFMBA=; b=w9qoZt03DFR9CtDpw6yt43yW5nB4bqE6nM0cd1yBuslmvnSRLkTVwgtMngWlnZWi1J PusXiyqtVIDNGiL11FMNnlVmovrrkzgFs86+7Riue4+E9mvIJ+7PsumGwkxpOD5MIELD VvxIMfgxVAz9VW7O9q+5G0F2v4Fj9h/aHPKYBz0u6AEiWWIF+XPEQMEyVAiIgurTNziX r41hHxDoLEUpIKiDGzb8tdQCFuPfTMBI79KJE+WP2biARi4G01ejV5xXbzTymqSN0UiZ ECT4htw5I6zQcR7Nisbchh9vq6tYHWseOm2fi3Ity8VDFLjskLD9yoYqH7mKfR57mthh OTHA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kdftv0/3VCT93HYffrrmZGxs2gjxFnDnp0ijlKEFMBA=; b=V+8X7ROhhpdskpNajbF2WV7wPlCKOXWI+iEbPwyh0VS2xdwm+IFBL9XXFYEGl19pcn Y6+hD84buezNMNMSbZUATG4uAhQK21YZDvHFQUktnnXGk4DLeXYf42gh0wfXcpzI6mbA +3ts9PaLre4S8P7VIJa7j+kqvVk+RKgQp1k/h7SuO4AuANrKxbuUCH252QdPAg5TyWsf 5YdsYXcSa6x7rXf5yVhSsUh66MKrNU0C2f+kmcPjJ9BmtEYb//IBeINXUNHmuYgMh/vn y0lkJAjouSndQAFRUGzEt/1WAXJ8lI3H5+OnKiX51BjGusvbNQGrVQ1R76nSmwZGXQSm E2FQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora9PGpioLv/pD5zCM3zh7kIrZw6/fLLBp/WOwCxJfiYfNW618t5Z rD/PO/KYAdsbfXD5MaaGyre2cilkZR3puWgs4ntrUqbPhM0DdQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1uV+MnEfAaE+DC7A1mvu52pbeM/DZaj8S0Ro/AKr8jncndzz4OFhyW395SlCQh34hg4tn/YzX4Pg92jAJ3ssGM= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:20d3:0:b0:376:566:55d5 with SMTP id g202-20020a1f20d3000000b00376056655d5mr2462715vkg.21.1658696656914; Sun, 24 Jul 2022 14:04:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1oF87S-4zW-00@marmaro.de> <8NgHeeJiYEBE0zhtd9RdKIeYWcAwtxsnAj7YhVIvLpz-yt0__LeFvVzNNGgSNTeDGnVQy-qxkoHWvmRi84ybYyNAiMRDJuVoAaEG96UAu4s=@protonmail.com> <83CADD1C2866986767CAF9251E6EF882.for-standards-violators@oclsc.org> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2022 15:04:05 -0600 Message-ID: To: segaloco Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000006a0d405e4936962" Message-ID-Hash: 345MBBET4CLLDNMBSAEQ5BHP5RL4CZ4M X-Message-ID-Hash: 345MBBET4CLLDNMBSAEQ5BHP5RL4CZ4M X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Line Numbers Before SysIII nl? BSD num? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000006a0d405e4936962 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 2:33 PM segaloco wrote: > All this discussion is making me incredibly glad I posed the question, as > it does indeed seem that before num and nl, line numbering was more of a > "to each their own" rather than there being a canonical best practice. > > By the way, what inspired the whole quandary in the first place was doing > some editing on a V6 UNIX system and realizing I hadn't the foggiest idea > of how to get the system to spit back line numbers to remind myself what > addresses to supply to various ed commands. I suppose at the time using a > context search was such an effective means of getting ed's cursor where you > wanted it that having a means to number lines wasn't crucial to effectively > working in ed, so long as one was good with their regex and searching. > > I'm realizing I might need to reach out to the maintainer of the nl > manpage in FreeBSD (and perhaps other OSs and distros) as the history > section of the page posits that nl was first introduced in SVR2, when in > reality the earliest public offering was System III, although the trail > goes cold at that point, I can only assume it came from USG. > I can update it. Done. https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=8a02ea1dbc139862456f488464072719341658d7 Warner --00000000000006a0d405e4936962 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sun, Jul 24, 2022 at 2:33 PM segal= oco <segaloco@protonmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
A= ll this discussion is making me incredibly glad I posed the question, as it= does indeed seem that before num and nl, line numbering was more of a &quo= t;to each their own" rather than there being a canonical best practice= .

By the way, what inspired the whole quandary in the first place was doing s= ome editing on a V6 UNIX system and realizing I hadn't the foggiest ide= a of how to get the system to spit back line numbers to remind myself what = addresses to supply to various ed commands.=C2=A0 I suppose at the time usi= ng a context search was such an effective means of getting ed's cursor = where you wanted it that having a means to number lines wasn't crucial = to effectively working in ed, so long as one was good with their regex and = searching.

I'm realizing I might need to reach out to the maintainer of the nl man= page in FreeBSD (and perhaps other OSs and distros) as the history section = of the page posits that nl was first introduced in SVR2, when in reality th= e earliest public offering was System III, although the trail goes cold at = that point, I can only assume it came from USG.
Warner
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