From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 23175 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2023 00:27:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 31 Jul 2023 00:27:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA6B41113; Mon, 31 Jul 2023 10:27:21 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-x536.google.com (mail-ed1-x536.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::536]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB2AB41112 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2023 10:27:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-x536.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-51d95aed33aso5237309a12.3 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2023 17:27:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20221208.gappssmtp.com; s=20221208; t=1690763227; x=1691368027; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=yDlWZCVGmjyorO3Jq2rmgV0Hoef/ftm+q8iU1QrJvg4=; b=y9QxUR+MUXw6EF5Frdb1f2kfIpIRwel5yXbCqUEufg/0ygBm8fWhWDQdqSKrNs86Eb upYup+PaeuvY6rNXOfn5pYXXyuwB0Dr/jCLV9P55Jt67Dj/Kprw9WpZd4pYKRmdTmKYP LozlVmUt4rfxQ20Yv+kTs6fipM+YsZDvl+YT3ZhDyag20oex+v2gKyykRnK+53xQB13J Zv4faibFtXdvWto15XgaULm1GHaj+qvJvDMrsPlbBWDb/YGBFbABg2etMUKgvZqDffFW qqx6AXpZSXO422xGMzEunzzobmxOhnKHofYdbdGxhKkjLamAMDKopCGXG4J8F5OVZcb1 chLQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1690763227; x=1691368027; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=yDlWZCVGmjyorO3Jq2rmgV0Hoef/ftm+q8iU1QrJvg4=; b=LaVXszbCBp/tFzBdKZLrkIiAoKmcsw8yDOKQ/UCMT1NxbkWnKv/v5oRDn0PGi7wGTc WiicwqESTvbflmjsAqhrX+hl0ncLY2g5VHECgEOAsnlDzZaihew1DTexk7ta7vaNxg6L KCfEFzsrJByVGXbS7LhMJU81bAaTB5FU4pypkb3h1jMWRE4idzAXOy+0mwxPpvXfO/rl jIUdjh5PSKpeSPetsD9M7yxwkV/8rPPG34SGLUx2Msc/iYxVlSDGkUuU8gtGJZvDRIBF do+1DZStTsDGKxHyU9Eq0sGvzx6vV4fUF2JKlLaFx6mKE3Za/HLJIfxW0ER2XWB/LYNG rsVw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABy/qLb00AiV7o15UvsZiCmz8q1udi0kHIjA8bHGScdf+ILypezWoX/C ZfEDdXk4HnZ2vNLWd7TZdjohKyBzadCcxMXEHtJe4hoJVtDT7bdH X-Google-Smtp-Source: APBJJlFH5H5JpqWrLi/mJL097XEPnScOU0qbf6ZXZglxTtTvWEmSue3ckoJB8pGtANchtuGpouPfuZJFJ47IebFO/Js= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:dcc6:0:b0:51e:2a1b:6de with SMTP id w6-20020aa7dcc6000000b0051e2a1b06demr5963980edu.40.1690763227398; Sun, 30 Jul 2023 17:27:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8246.1690761540@cesium.clock.org> In-Reply-To: <8246.1690761540@cesium.clock.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 18:26:55 -0600 Message-ID: To: "Erik E. Fair" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000091979c0601bd7d77" Message-ID-Hash: LBC4IHY6Y7GVSH7AI4FQ7MUUTKFF4IQX X-Message-ID-Hash: LBC4IHY6Y7GVSH7AI4FQ7MUUTKFF4IQX X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Cool talk on Unix and Sendmail history, by Eric Allman List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000091979c0601bd7d77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Jul 30, 2023, 5:59 PM Erik E. Fair wrote: > > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:34:56 +1000 > From: George Michaelson > > [...] > > Execute on read is just awful. But, now we have HTML to track "they > read it" through URL fetch. > > And then the utterly disastrous: JavaScript. It should be *eliminated* > from the WWW as the gross security violation it is. > > "don't run software from strangers", > Write once, run everywhere. Warner > Erik Fair > --00000000000091979c0601bd7d77 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Jul 30, 2023, 5:59 PM Erik E. Fair <fair-tuhs@netbsd.org> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2023 09:34:56 +1000
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 From: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org&= gt;

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 [...]

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Execute on read is just awful. But, now we have= HTML to track "they
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 read it" through URL fetch.

And then the utterly disastrous: JavaScript. It should be *eliminated*
from the WWW as the gross security violation it is.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "don't run software from strangers&quo= t;,


Write once, run everywhere.=C2=A0

Warner=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Erik Fair
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