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From: imp@bsdimp.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: [TUHS] The evolution of Unix facilities and architecture
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 10:21:16 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANCZdfqAfwgO0XKG1pg8Y500Wmo9Aw8Ci9h-L37KqRdi=emuwQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3aa087e2-9305-3d5b-123e-dc2d7833baf2@case.edu>

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Chet Ramey <chet.ramey at case.edu> wrote:
> On 5/12/17 10:30 AM, Larry McVoy wrote:
>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 02:56:59PM +0100, Tim Bradshaw wrote:
>>> When I found out about this I thought seriously of shorting Sun's
>>> stock (if I knew how to do that).  I would have made money.  As it was
>>> we stuck with logged UFS which, by 2007 or so was seriously bulletproof.
>>
>> Wait, someone added logging to UFS?  Is there a writeup of that anywhere?
>
> You could look at the soft updates paper from 1999 for Kirk's perspective.
>
> https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/usenix99/full_papers/mckusick/mckusick.pdf
>
> There was a paper about journaled soft updates, too:
>
> https://www.mckusick.com/softdep/suj.pdf

There's also Margo's paper on LFS, which added logging to UFS, though
by the time it was over it wasn't recognizable.

https://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/sd93/seltzer.pdf

The Journaled updates, though, is that someone added an intent log to
UFS + SoftUpdates. This was used to replay the last few operations
when doing fsck coming back up after a crash. There's also something
called gjournal, which adds a different type of journaling to UFS, but
the less said about that train-wreck the better.

Warner


  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-12 16:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-11 14:07 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-11 14:21 ` Larry McVoy
2017-05-11 16:17   ` Clem Cole
2017-05-11 17:11     ` Michael Kjörling
2017-05-11 21:44       ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-11 22:06         ` Warner Losh
2017-05-12  6:24         ` Hellwig Geisse
2017-05-12 21:12           ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-12 23:25             ` Hellwig Geisse
2017-05-11 16:15 ` Clem Cole
2017-05-11 16:52   ` Warner Losh
2017-05-11 17:12     ` Clem Cole
2017-05-11 20:37       ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-11 22:25         ` Larry McVoy
2017-05-11 22:30           ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-11 23:47           ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-11 23:48             ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-12  0:21               ` Larry McVoy
2017-05-12  2:42                 ` Warner Losh
2017-05-12  0:16             ` Larry McVoy
2017-05-12  1:41               ` Wesley Parish
2017-05-12  1:05             ` Toby Thain
2017-05-12  8:17               ` Michael Kjörling
2017-05-12 13:56                 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-05-12 14:22                   ` Michael Kjörling
2017-05-12 14:30                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-05-12 15:11                     ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-05-12 15:52                     ` Chet Ramey
2017-05-12 16:21                       ` Warner Losh [this message]
2017-05-12  8:15             ` Harald Arnesen
2017-05-14  4:30           ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-05-14 17:40             ` Clem Cole
     [not found] <mailman.1.1494986402.2329.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2017-05-19 14:31 ` David
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-05-16 13:20 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-16 13:46 ` Clem Cole
2017-05-14 21:44 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-13  1:25 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-13  0:44 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-13  0:51 ` Random832
2017-05-13  0:55   ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-13  1:17   ` Chris Torek
2017-05-13 15:25   ` Steve Simon
2017-05-13 16:55     ` Clem Cole
2017-05-13 17:19       ` William Pechter
2017-05-14 12:55         ` Derek Fawcus
2017-05-14 22:12           ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-15  1:24             ` Nemo
2017-05-15 18:00               ` Steve Johnson
2017-05-16 22:33                 ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-16 23:13                   ` Arthur Krewat
2017-05-16 23:18                     ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-13 23:01     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-12 23:30 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-12 23:38 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-12 23:52   ` Random832
2017-05-13  0:26     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-13  0:48       ` Random832
2017-05-13  0:22 ` Clem Cole
2017-05-13  0:23   ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 18:43 Doug McIlroy
2017-05-12 18:56 ` Dan Cross
2017-05-12 19:43   ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 20:06     ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 20:40       ` Jeremy C. Reed
2017-05-12 21:29         ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 21:29   ` Ron Natalie
2017-05-12 15:12 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-12 15:17 ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 15:18   ` Clem Cole
2017-05-12 15:46     ` Clem Cole
2017-05-11 17:08 Noel Chiappa
2017-05-11 21:34 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-05-10 14:08 Diomidis Spinellis
2017-05-10 14:38 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-05-10 23:09   ` Erik Berls
2017-05-11 12:40     ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-05-11  0:49 ` Clem Cole

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