From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>,
Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] SunOS code?
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 14:38:39 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANCZdfqD6kyTMX+ztPuJrSENrRTHkRPzqyeLjnoUWJaVBFM2og@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180830202200.GC664@mcvoy.com>
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On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 2:22 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 02:04:10PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 1:41 PM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > and finding a proper distribution tape to officially release.
> > >
> > > Why do we need that? Can't they say 'any and all versions of SunOS',
> and
> > > that
> > > term ('SunOS') is sufficiently well defined in real-world documents
> (e.g.
> > > Sun
> > > licenses) that that should be 'good enough'.
> > >
> > > It sounds like the _actual code_ is reasonably available, we wouldn't
> need
> > > Oracle to go looking around for it, would we?
> > >
> >
> > The trouble, as I was given to understand when I worked at Solbourne, was
> > that SunOS wasn't just AT&T + BSD 4.2 + 4.3 + awesome hacking at SMI.
> > There were a number of third party bits and pieces in there that could
> not
> > be relicensed, even 28 years ago when things were fresh.
>
> So I've been down this path, it was STREAMS and RFS, and maybe a couple
> of drivers. I pulled all that crud out, put back the BSD tty code,
> and I had a SunOS we could have given away.
Why would STREAMS and RFS be a problem post OpenSolaris?
> It was back when I was
> writing this:
>
> http://mcvoy.com/lm/bitmover/lm/papers/freeos.pdf
>
> and I needed to be able to show that what I was asking for was possible.
>
> > A quick grep of something that fell off an http server suggests that the
> > number of these is quite limited. However, the files they are on have no
> > other license, even though latter-day versions are available of hack,
> hunt,
> > indent and pax are available (though to be fair, the latter two do give
> > permission explicitly, and a good case can be made for hunt).
>
> So you are including userland. I'm not sure you need to. Yeah, there was
> some unicode work done there but quite frankly, I'd just have
>
> /usr/gnu/bin
> /usr/bsd/bin
> /usr/sun/bin
>
> and dump anything questionable in sun/bin. It's the kernel that was the
> most interesting, next would be the run time loader and shared libraries.
> /usr/bin wasn't that exciting, the BSD purists might want that but I gotta
> believe that BSD has caught up to Sun in 25 years (right???).
>
grep -r was easy :).
Warner
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Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-08-30 19:41 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-30 19:46 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:04 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-30 20:22 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:33 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:36 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:40 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:43 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:38 ` Warner Losh [this message]
2018-08-30 20:42 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-30 20:43 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-30 20:37 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-31 5:49 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-08-31 9:50 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-31 11:01 ` Gregg Levine
2018-08-31 11:05 ` Lars Brinkhoff
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2018-09-04 17:58 Noel Chiappa
2018-09-06 0:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-30 21:34 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-31 1:59 ` Kevin Bowling
2018-08-31 21:34 ` Cág
2018-08-31 21:39 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-31 21:47 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-08-31 21:57 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-31 21:58 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-31 22:02 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-31 22:19 ` Cág
2018-08-31 22:23 ` Jon Forrest
2018-08-31 22:30 ` Cág
2018-08-31 22:34 ` Jon Forrest
2018-09-01 10:46 ` Donald ODona
2018-08-31 22:20 ` Cág
2018-08-31 23:02 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-01 1:57 ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 3:23 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-01 16:29 ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-01 16:35 ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 19:32 ` Clem Cole
2018-09-01 16:27 ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-01 17:17 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-01 22:19 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-02 5:05 ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-02 19:43 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-09-04 11:47 ` Kevin Bowling
2018-09-04 17:39 ` Gilles Gravier
2018-09-04 17:45 ` Henry Bent
2018-09-05 6:31 ` Gilles Gravier
2018-09-05 12:55 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-05 15:26 ` Warner Losh
2018-09-05 15:36 ` Chet Ramey
2018-09-05 15:43 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-09-05 23:40 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-09-05 0:10 ` Tony Finch
2018-08-30 19:54 Noel Chiappa
2018-08-30 20:05 ` Earl Baugh
2018-08-24 15:13 [TUHS] Research UNIX on the AT&T 3B2? Seth Morabito
2018-08-24 16:06 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-27 15:54 ` Mary Ann Horton
2018-08-27 17:33 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-28 0:24 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-28 0:30 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-28 6:01 ` arnold
2018-08-28 22:33 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-08-29 0:36 ` Harald Arnesen
2018-08-29 0:46 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 5:29 ` [TUHS] SunOS code? arnold
2018-08-29 14:40 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 14:41 ` Dan Cross
2018-08-29 14:44 ` William Pechter
2018-08-29 14:46 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45 ` Clem Cole
2018-08-29 14:43 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:45 ` Warner Losh
2018-08-29 14:53 ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 11:43 ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 13:50 ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 14:32 ` Warner Losh
2018-09-04 9:39 ` Andy Kosela
2018-09-01 15:01 ` Larry McVoy
2018-09-01 15:20 ` Warner Losh
2018-09-01 18:24 ` Steve Mynott
2018-09-01 18:38 ` Larry McVoy
2018-08-29 23:09 ` David Arnold
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