From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ed460794 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2020 17:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 342E09B842; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:30:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F8093D07; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:30:23 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="ysUjnOHD"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id A187593D07; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:30:20 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f180.google.com (mail-qk1-f180.google.com [209.85.222.180]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E286593D06 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2020 03:30:19 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f180.google.com with SMTP id t129so6705291qke.10 for ; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 09:30:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ChaqO+OrxHNb3kbCeWX9zlRmxmcx599ikQ/xo8XWKNc=; b=ysUjnOHDcsoJFM68bT+2DTP6RyFjzkABj/aPess61BAdp12ImriAFnQCSWqfR7I+Ae MAGL+rsAPyfV3a71PlN0aZJl6QnK1Pm+nekpEpDUaBbYE49eRZTgwIvPplDHM+hN2Wiw kSntlHN6ZncIEwQ4f/I4xJeI/V7Cce+2/I1/OkAytf/chk0knjc+IBkR3jc0IAtj78gi 3kdcgamh0edzWomLwt4uzrdSI5DTotzWBNStpi44jR7pd5Da55mNzrESbAidYpEe+Xtv ezhI2sPleuf/LBQj0TRMqQefdzGLqq7Uu1xNrFN8Bsb+5S73emESArhEqQGChiQ7hslb 98IA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ChaqO+OrxHNb3kbCeWX9zlRmxmcx599ikQ/xo8XWKNc=; b=Y5OAjbR06ZmVw1zOFneU2IWNzZu7R/Wug3nussgiSWh0DDCdXjDmi5zgmegbPGArTi kOuyKinTGXBMDLW+OEdUwI/XzLqcj+BFLzR7XCj4SsLEBDH00cqpcxZ2DfnYRuiafV3L UKUQ7Py/AcTnAJw4buYmgUhk4v23JOpiXKR5Y34Xs812dwaqEit4skqIL7KhVxAu3e3F wY6gY5vUKHcORpUEY1+rIWzdJhU8qv+SFBIFTrC+HysQbKYlZPOW2/OHuE2rNVeFvJHc iXrKKx8YTz5yR4nqlVIApZf/GsSCiG3w1zl4/+km59Lf4Uoyb0evb995TogSkfEuvrcR n/mg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWc470LPZCTVIsgOSaVf/qR1etGM94RJ+GQPDBPLJsP0x1UUZXU dD1U3U4EkODoXdK+tGvIFI2xm6ha2mdcRw/DivHpGyyZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwOs+cLrPxxaAb680ZV/xjUaAzXpvogu9+BMcYWr5v2Yi2ZWRvFIUNuYvTG0Rbib77p2NCzx7DcNrGFxPWRxWk= X-Received: by 2002:a37:4f8e:: with SMTP id d136mr10500983qkb.495.1578591019007; Thu, 09 Jan 2020 09:30:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200109012830.GC16808@mcvoy.com> <20200109020720.GG16808@mcvoy.com> <202001090423.0094NooZ379407@darkstar.fourwinds.com> <202001091721.009HLf2V503811@darkstar.fourwinds.com> In-Reply-To: <202001091721.009HLf2V503811@darkstar.fourwinds.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 10:30:07 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jon Steinhart Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ef187c059bb85ce2" Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000ef187c059bb85ce2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:22 AM Jon Steinhart wrote: > One of the reasons that I chose vi over emacs was architectural. At a > certain > level, vi was a text editor and emacs was an operating system, and since I > was > running UNIX and was a UNIX philosophy person I just didn't want to be > running > an operating system on top of an operating system just to do text editing. > I chose emacs because of muscle memory (Both the VAX and TOPS-20 machines at school had emacs as the default editor) and also because it lets me program better. I didn't let the fact it accomplished that by trying to be an OS or LISP-M or whatever get in the way of using the best tool for the job. In the 90s this meant that I had to be careful about the machines I used it on. These days, it just doesn't matter. Mostly, though, it was finger muscle memory :) Warner --000000000000ef187c059bb85ce2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 10:22 AM Jon S= teinhart <jon@fourwinds.com>= wrote:
One of t= he reasons that I chose vi over emacs was architectural.=C2=A0 At a certain=
level, vi was a text editor and emacs was an operating system, and since I = was
running UNIX and was a UNIX philosophy person I just didn't want to be = running
an operating system on top of an operating system just to do text editing.<= br>

I chose emacs because of muscle memory = (Both the VAX and TOPS-20 machines at school had emacs as the default edito= r) and also because it lets me program better. I didn't let the fact it= accomplished that by trying to be an OS or LISP-M or whatever get in the w= ay of using the best tool for the job. In the 90s this meant that I had to = be careful about the machines I used it on. These days, it just doesn't= matter. Mostly, though, it was finger muscle memory :)

Warner
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