From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 3849 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2021 03:20:34 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 23 Feb 2021 03:20:34 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BCDC29CA8D; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:20:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D4893D39; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:20:03 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="KWbIDOxp"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id B4F1C93D39; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:20:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f53.google.com (mail-qv1-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05D9C93D32 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2021 13:19:57 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f53.google.com with SMTP id d6so555651qvs.11 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:19:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=QaJ3q7ZSE2zh8meLluEUcxPxn8SejTY/+hxCPrrlIhM=; b=KWbIDOxpxt572wI2ZL2PUjSUJ+Jrca/tRtz6GgBgNxCAy/sayqZPvJ7KsdYq1QgNWG 35IxzCQ6QxJ8rmxD3JZmrokl+qe/3ZfycGlSWzULd4aUytSpG49ebIr8puZNdPBUw2H6 FxtixhzElqv6b+qI5Q1612jInOab3fUQfPqlwT6JY0JPxF8Zr9GkWjyKV7j4eWgDdgfd MDP9myQPsTKtTYZHB6t4LJEt2BiSg6znFQDwObmGvmcfJgEr9jjP2mEak938b3yxGgnu FSyJjfVYjKBK+L8AHkhp1i5t5Y1qfDlBB60MIeJNv+UK2qx61RqdVgemo4e6QIE38Pyq zbZg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QaJ3q7ZSE2zh8meLluEUcxPxn8SejTY/+hxCPrrlIhM=; b=c9B6SVJQy5IcKnbAzM52r38uL9GMIf0BfE9tKXDc0TTlhZM0VBiGLgRbY/Z2Iuez7v DzFuIkwfrqfuue1oVv6o63oyaqBx4q2zRiN7oF4gQ/+Wjqbfqe/tvd+sdiMHbfF8dJFx NEwFD59ob6VKHBzYbLs0iGNcfHUP+XCtwbkNcrF7AFLyhSWaLOFUO0UFvsVvQ4GnXQVR sTKRCO4S3zZZVpQIAMNf0QBPJdULAWKJ68AMkxcTI5M+cltUiOCvAQm1JwrFVmkNCCC+ a1F7PUlzJGRCtzXA+7AluhTA3GIV3+VFPL00B2YK0FP/DA2GFYIat52ON0Vys+CBRL0C ZCeQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530rvVG6Ktky2QCrYfsW3MKA6DwK/rdogY15BxINui2j41GjVk82 1smElt3gFMlO/9BK6R5ivEM0JEw9S8L1OBHBE7TRPQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy7xqu8TujvI/Usucl2m4kcjtzCrRW3NC9kYuBPyFRsiZgv02MQc2/cXc1OdznW/Mldq6Iz77meNUySRKXJHF0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:174d:: with SMTP id dc13mr186642qvb.62.1614050396092; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:19:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 20:19:44 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Theodore Ts'o" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000824db405bbf864c9" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Abstractions X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000824db405bbf864c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 7:50 PM Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 07:38:21PM -0500, Steve Nickolas wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, Wesley Parish wrote: > > > > > I've just checked Slackware 14.* and it's still got a few binaries in > > > /bin, unlike the RedHat* group which has indeed sent them all to > > > /usr/bin. I don't know about the Debian* group, or if the Mandrake* > > > group have gone with the RedHat* or not. Let alone all the other > > > distros. > > > > Debian links /bin to /usr/bin. > > New installs of Debian will use a /usr merged configuration. However, > for pre-existing installations, we are not yet forcing, or even > strongly recommending, system administrators to install the usrmerge > package which will transition an legacy directory hierarchy to be /usr > merged. So at the moment, Debian packages need to support both merged > and non-merged configurations, which is not ideal > I anticipate needing a /usr/bin/bash soon on my FreeBSD system for the same reason I have a /bin/bash pointing at /usr/local/bin/bash. Progress :) Warner > --000000000000824db405bbf864c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Feb 22, 2021, 7:50 PM Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 07:38:21PM -0500, Steve Ni= ckolas wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Feb 2021, Wesley Parish wrote:
>
> > I've just checked Slackware 14.* and it's still got a few= binaries in
> > /bin, unlike the RedHat* group which has indeed sent them all to<= br> > > /usr/bin. I don't know about the Debian* group, or if the Man= drake*
> > group have gone with the RedHat* or not. Let alone all the other<= br> > > distros.
>
> Debian links /bin to /usr/bin.

New installs of Debian will use a /usr merged configuration.=C2=A0 However,=
for pre-existing installations, we are not yet forcing, or even
strongly recommending, system administrators to install the usrmerge
package which will transition an legacy directory hierarchy to be /usr
merged.=C2=A0 So at the moment, Debian packages need to support both merged=
and non-merged configurations, which is not ideal

I anticipate needing a /us= r/bin/bash soon on my FreeBSD system for the same reason I have a /bin/bash= pointing at /usr/local/bin/bash. Progress :)

Warner=C2=A0
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