From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c23cd1b5 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 00FFB9BB70; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 09:27:51 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6AC29B4F2; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 09:27:31 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="XPguCv1Q"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 0A4A19B4F2; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 09:27:29 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f178.google.com (mail-qt1-f178.google.com [209.85.160.178]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AD779B486 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 09:27:28 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f178.google.com with SMTP id q4so19684969qtp.1 for ; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:27:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=PONWwa+I0EBEYeDONKPSzgu9DE47cxB+YKJ5bI7AECg=; b=XPguCv1QFsTUPYgWLkGXijUCfvQ+4yz2shH/CrCi3M00rl6kS3Pt8O/LWHhBiX+TLm U36dveXfUtInuitXpcep0QultvWCwxjWAmjBDw9ezG5H4K/puZJnoF9sMgqeq7utj9QE zS291l0xKlL4C0fd+RBigiV/aZOeunl8jHLsBvD2eFExx9yjWxnSLfWD/78nVfZfcDzx qGU5tNFyppd/3Y7rxmofyY6wNFiCehLYgoVW7FA59FsPo6RBvzQZ0RMjJe+/rJYHcLgF TFBc2yFDUPtYVisWio6LUQVRcaCAOHAW4zeK/bzyeEef/2mOchYTCC1dpzoT0f//oSS8 epcQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=PONWwa+I0EBEYeDONKPSzgu9DE47cxB+YKJ5bI7AECg=; b=kHmlU1cFfA9ttGIC9W+SgTX9ASQ22oe0KyNO0UlfoTOCq70jROEu2iXdkghDaHTgWP LvXYANFl5rjTvxNHbRLxL2PFkDhgqHV9iahTXi9B+90J8lABjPO9nSh0OLinbydgS6So t1I2zu77ebvhKQBuAyvLdQTlyltO9JKJAqwDgBIvj6H6BK1FYj1H2+jtioRww7p8WDZI q9y3UjTDbgnchVFSQT5p4NtsChMyQNd7lDrPyqBEXdc77UnU3urqepq/IRL8bpf9Accx zWdAWUCZdcqVFsouXsSPo43M2hpxXe7TvCZhFrkc+w0Retgi+4nu8DnTp+lZWkBBcUe2 huFw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXPO9YhgAxLfZyy0MZ8xm8k/jQ3gt2vLCaPb25flfE4U5KzzmXk zjwgbF2BTuXfrYoUYyjanFLIP1HNfGj9f+3FYs9ecg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz0lfi+NdUgctpG+ugc0AGZAlMS/C40x1KrRiZksJG7fRYLrIyXjFpNrnhnB7uPsolHw77StqfW3NW3PE2nx2Y= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:c250:: with SMTP id w16mr17246785qvh.188.1566862047011; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:27:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <13c5c36e-c84d-e020-d09e-51c8c502dc6d@kilonet.net> In-Reply-To: <13c5c36e-c84d-e020-d09e-51c8c502dc6d@kilonet.net> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:27:14 -0600 Message-ID: To: Arthur Krewat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b973db05910d7f38" Subject: Re: [TUHS] If not Linux, then what? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000b973db05910d7f38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:14 PM Arthur Krewat wrote: > > https://linux.slashdot.org/story/19/08/26/0051234/celebrating-the-28th-anniversary-of-the-linux-kernel > > Leaving licensing and copyright issues out of this mental exercise, what > would we have now if it wasn't for Linux? Not what you'd WANT it to be, > although that can add to the discussion, but what WOULD it be? > > I'm not asking as a proponent of Linux. If anything, I was dragged > kicking and screaming into the current day and have begrudgingly ceded > my server space to Linux. > > But if not for Linux, would it be BSD? A System V variant? Or (the > horror) Windows NT? > BSD was in decent enough shape at the time to run on PCs. Though it fragmented early through no fault of Linux. And the AT&T lawsuit created a lot of FUD in the area without actually protecting System V. It's unclear if another thing would have popped up to fill the void... Linux flourished in the confusion, but without it, it's hard to know if something else would have been developed before the AT&T lawsuit settled. Warner I do understand that this has been discussed on the list before. I > think, however, it would make a good late-summer exercise. Or late > winter depending on where you are :) > > art k. > > > --000000000000b973db05910d7f38 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
--000000000000b973db05910d7f38--