From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 8054 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2021 02:30:54 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Jan 2021 02:30:54 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 4EEBF9C73D; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:30:50 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FF293FAE; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:30:12 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="SRCYkVvx"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 3FFD393FAE; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:30:09 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f179.google.com (mail-qk1-f179.google.com [209.85.222.179]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA15A93DAF for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:30:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f179.google.com with SMTP id c7so13720563qke.1 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:30:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=e0ReQjc57B1mCr0LUOm0h9y+94EJsSBmO/vvl5K3S90=; b=SRCYkVvxfWOqloMygCaHaC9kgwi8VXvt3GFFq/sakSfk/4tZw/XNXeZ5/zsHfVrap7 E0r9YLyJs9dczzKIN9porBVnUatbbEbzSVD+Svmv76jSHt9ZmZbSMSHl5pG89eykTNOI 1gJ1wodHP3nWrDkF3EK648vo/nIK1p3wdIj4Qu19DEMx71K3TfESoxgINSKSYef9ZCJl Lr98Kqhc9NbldkCNtznqX9rS1bC9aoMjRtot31rsgixRHKtiWqCTqcwapE+3OMF9XHqc FTATpOuNmIWGbkZ45vPSDUZuFHY+cbqH+5dTmoyxc/RuLCtTmOF0obxdKNFBGUn/EvBW zrTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=e0ReQjc57B1mCr0LUOm0h9y+94EJsSBmO/vvl5K3S90=; b=XyldjI4AcWrpI73P3nqaN3wDM/56fuGIZAEz6myJIQnvaeMFwttRotX3JCW0ZjNHy2 s5HqZixB9shIpKJKe4WvSI8rCAyW+afWQ+eHiX+oAlwtIaX5+sQ2nmwAD1MyYodfKObY D1SGGnfOeTNM13S1q3fSq7jfMlUHhraPrhI0jBHr55xuJjAD2DpkXeSi8xFz2m6ufPg8 xAzfRTAq/4TCdRCjGaYpWCo01z4IFa+PApomgdkoj+p4h8xAMkrg3YLW07w3BOWfWu72 CI1ZUdMmUIRVjrv8yFjWTPTk5w7N/baIsybsY1gfint9zLs3UrNHruaxAS4VzoGU3/q9 R3wQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532P5JhYcHOMBnf5ZdKwg96MllbZB3Uh29w7dnWJfW8hColpExN9 vKMs1SF+pI1BWxUvAGEDE2wr3ucpRNQO1um4/t4E1Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx/OiJxheMEc9kobEdcQDqzMZrNGOZr0v94OU6f6G/9aVOsLql/NGNBYB9aCgLIWcaS8Fdca8dCtcpbC955Ln4= X-Received: by 2002:a37:a614:: with SMTP id p20mr15218631qke.359.1610764207003; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:30:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 19:29:55 -0700 Message-ID: To: John Cowan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000602aa905b8fb4413" Subject: Re: [TUHS] ACM Fellow, Ken Thompson X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000602aa905b8fb4413 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John Cowan wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall wrote: > > >> > Whose foray? Not DEC's. Eunice was built at SRI and sold by the >> > Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections. >> > > >> It was >> originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan at SRI[1] and later >> maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.'' >> > > Where's the disagreement? > Eunice post-dated DEC's first Unix offering by several years. They sold V7 and later V7M before rebranding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr Kashtan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong feelings among reviewers... The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice would form the basis for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more refined version, also done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was always much rivalry between the two companies... Wollongong got its license because they were the marketing company formed to market Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out significantly because their license was so special... Or at least that's the story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original license to know... Warner --000000000000602aa905b8fb4413 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:18 PM John = Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
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On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 3:14 PM Dave Horsfall= <dave@horsfall.o= rg> wrote:
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> Whose foray?=C2=A0 Not DEC's.=C2=A0 Eunice was = built at SRI and sold by the
> Wollongong Group, who must have had Downundrian connections.=C2=A0=C2= =A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0It was
originally developed ca. 1981 by David Kashtan = at SRI[1] and later
maintained and marketed by The Wollongong Group.'= ;'

Where's the disagreement?
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Eunice post-dated DEC's fi= rst Unix offering by several years. They sold V7 and later V7M before rebra= nding it to Ultrix. Eunice was 4.1BSD (later 4.2 and 4.3) that Dr=C2=A0 Kas= htan grafted into VMS in ways that... provoke strong feelings among reviewe= rs...=C2=A0 The TCP/IP stack that was inside of Eunice would form the basis= for Wollongong's TCP/IP offerings on VMS... A more refined version, al= so done I think by Kashtan, was marketed by TGV and there was always much r= ivalry between the two companies...=C2=A0

Wollongo= ng got its license because they were the marketing company formed to market= Dr. Miller's port to Interdata, and they later branched out significan= tly because their license was so special...=C2=A0 Or at least that's th= e story they told customers and internally... I never saw the original lice= nse to know...

Warner
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