From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7276 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2023 16:00:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 3 Sep 2023 16:00:10 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A7C41018; Mon, 4 Sep 2023 02:00:06 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com (mail-ed1-x534.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD95341010 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2023 01:59:59 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5256d74dab9so818679a12.1 for ; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 08:59:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1693756798; x=1694361598; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=yBOx0XEjJ7fmLE/r9+JT6vqEGcXe7XYGnDH8BSHY6sg=; b=cHhGISnEfsCcuX46yZ6+dL9Qajly1+r/elUqth0lPHYgJ7fiCm7J9Kd78RJdOHV4wo o8tjut+JSAf+Xnd7v42aJYsu7rHW+t65MwLHv7i//RFHr9pCaU70FqBhUgsLZMhYxj3G u1+GrrkrJNEWiyzY4CGswVDsqtLI3Cxie/pVw6KQcUYz1ZsDu8uUc3bId5NK9Adjfz0x fqaUwE+lapwR0n7iYfoV1yEbJrMt0lgJLHPOR00x26i5NKnF3Jfp27vw+rqjid2SlkNz 8XW/0FLmTp48NHPaOjNnz9I8JD+wKi89fHFmoxvuHLg35w9UZbNWrw9YQY9tGJsyYW2z TPCg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1693756798; x=1694361598; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=yBOx0XEjJ7fmLE/r9+JT6vqEGcXe7XYGnDH8BSHY6sg=; b=f31F+lp6l3iDqiRPXniYHdhOVVSqGP0fNwLDE//dpMNvLn4C2+O3lfMpRJhsV+pcJ1 5CNilBvXtjWcsB6x+XTCRJ7LUQvc3s6u7NsGyOWgzQqaqwbmH7x2LxacmctGFSZLDK0W uOSAPNtydYFATZTveBLRpfM8Ivs4kKT8sstebD2iHi13F8tsWjTlzyWda7D71nqOR4RC BoAlSywM0ON1ps6MQ7lqFYpi/K4OLpbgldulMIjEIClD92Go+nbpoRg/KPd5MDLmz913 ZvAumpJVf+aaDdJj/oA4E+r2tMgPVdT74f/3xArQK+CsmBASOstXQ8oG50tf9R7yAXrf sulA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzUp+wfqPZLezWf5Rf6kBtPfTcdujQF3KD7qTio66M6ewNOXtP9 WDSbo0KMKU5SKP40E9EtXE1FIy0zwOYbZa+rsds9I2fbx0kJmPSy X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG269Z2AKbTGfJAHexQ2M8Iyka1Q1feBjGUQDCsL4gTHLoUgKMRl0CPQpTAG/BtHfA849s+OgQs/0u+vHr4xGk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:7750:b0:9a1:f4e8:87b9 with SMTP id kx16-20020a170907775000b009a1f4e887b9mr5925525ejc.45.1693756798044; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 08:59:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 09:59:47 -0600 Message-ID: To: Andrew Warkentin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000048a47b0604767c23" Message-ID-Hash: ZHBUZDBFMTPJSSLKFLSIVGJLNFEJRYPR X-Message-ID-Hash: ZHBUZDBFMTPJSSLKFLSIVGJLNFEJRYPR X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Were any of the commercial unixes source-available? List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000048a47b0604767c23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 5:26=E2=80=AFAM Andrew Warkentin wrote: > On 9/2/23, Joseph Holsten wrote: > > I=E2=80=99ve been playing around trying to link the OpenSolaris launch = commit to > > various pieces in the Unix History Repository, and it=E2=80=99s making = me wonder > if > > we=E2=80=99ll ever have a chance to see the history of the systems. > > > > I=E2=80=99m less concerned about HPUX, AIX and SCO=E2=80=99s offerings = since I presume > > someone has copy inside these companies. But what about A/UX, Irix, > Tru64? > > Did these ever get sold with licenses to source tapes? Are there copies > we > > need to preserve in-camera so something can exist 120 years after > creation > > or whenever copyright expires? > > > There are source leaks for quite a few commercial Unices floating > around in various places. These are the ones I'm aware of: > > A/UX (0.7, which is complete, and 2.x, which is only the kernel) > AIX 4.1.3 (most of the kernel and some of user space, possibly > complete enough to build) > BSD/OS (various versions, probably complete) > DEC OSF/1 (1.0 and 2.0; these seem reasonably complete) > DYNIX 3.x (several versions, possibly complete enough to build) > DYNIX/PTX (4.x?; possibly complete enough to build) > IRIX 6.5.5 (missing quite a few major packages and nowhere near > complete enough to build) > MIPS RISC/os 4.52 (possibly complete) > SGI System V GL2-W3.7 (for the IRIS 3000 68K machines; probably complete) > SunOS 4.1.3 (seems to be the complete base system) > There is (or was) a github repo that has Solaris 2.5, 2.6, 8 and 11 sources= . System III sources are out there, lots of copies, but they all appear to come from the same root source and have just been repackaged. > System V for the 3b2 (several 3.x versions, possibly complete) > System V for the UNIX PC (3.51, possibly complete) > System V/386 4.2 (possibly complete) > Bitsavers also has sources for the IS/1 or similar to a number of different 68k machines, but it's only the kernel. It's V7 based, but with bits of system III and system V tossed in. Also, it's not hard to find SystemVr1 (for VAX and PDP-11), r2, r3 (several= ) and r4 online. > ULTRIX-11 (at least 3.1) > This is buildable, and legit with permission from DEC. At least parts of it are buildable, I've not tried to do a full system gen from sources. > ULTRIX-32 (2.0, which has been confirmed to build by someone else, and > 4.2, which is also fairly complete) > > I haven't looked at any of these in depth, so I'm not completely sure > of the status of any of them except for A/UX and ULTRIX > hpux has a lot of docs out there. And a lot of binaries, but little source. It's one of the few I've not found sources for when I was doing research on how sync behaved, for example. Warner --00000000000048a47b0604767c23 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 5:26=E2=80=AFA= M Andrew Warkentin <andreww591@g= mail.com> wrote:
On 9/2/23, Joseph Holsten <joseph@josephholsten.com> wrote:
> I=E2=80=99ve been playing around trying to link the OpenSolaris launch= commit to
> various pieces in the Unix History Repository, and it=E2=80=99s making= me wonder if
> we=E2=80=99ll ever have a chance to see the history of the systems. >
> I=E2=80=99m less concerned about HPUX, AIX and SCO=E2=80=99s offerings= since I presume
> someone has copy inside these companies. But what about A/UX, Irix, Tr= u64?
> Did these ever get sold with licenses to source tapes? Are there copie= s we
> need to preserve in-camera so something can exist 120 years after crea= tion
> or whenever copyright expires?
>
There are source leaks for quite a few commercial Unices floating
around in various places. These are the ones I'm aware of:

A/UX (0.7, which is complete, and 2.x, which is only the kernel)
AIX 4.1.3 (most of the kernel and some of user space, possibly
complete enough to build)
BSD/OS (various versions, probably complete)
DEC OSF/1 (1.0 and 2.0; these seem reasonably complete)
DYNIX 3.x (several versions, possibly complete enough to build)
DYNIX/PTX (4.x?; possibly complete enough to build)
IRIX 6.5.5 (missing quite a few major packages and nowhere near
complete enough to build)
MIPS RISC/os 4.52 (possibly complete)
SGI System V GL2-W3.7 (for the IRIS 3000 68K machines; probably complete) SunOS 4.1.3 (seems to be the complete base system)
There is (or was) a github repo that has Solaris 2.5, 2.6, 8 an= d 11 sources.

System III sources are out there, lo= ts of copies, but they all appear
to come from the same root sour= ce and have just been repackaged.
=C2=A0
System V for the 3b2 (several 3.x versions, possibly complete)
System V for the UNIX PC (3.51, possibly complete)
System V/386 4.2 (possibly complete)

Bi= tsavers also has sources for the IS/1 or similar to a number of different
68k machines, but it's only the kernel. It's V7 based, but= with bits of system III
and system V tossed in.

Also, it's not hard to find SystemVr1 (for VAX and PDP-11), r2= , r3 (several)
and r4 online.
=C2=A0
ULTRIX-11 (at least 3.1)

This is builda= ble, and legit with permission from DEC. At least parts of it
are= buildable, I've not tried to do a full system gen from sources.
=C2=A0
ULTRIX-32 (2.0, which has been confirmed to build by someone else, and
4.2, which is also fairly complete)

I haven't looked at any of these in depth, so I'm not completely su= re
of the status of any of them except for A/UX and ULTRIX

hpux has a lot of docs out there. And a lot of binaries, b= ut little source. It's
one of the few I've not found sour= ces for when I was doing research on how
sync behaved, for exampl= e.

Warner
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