From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id fb184f2b for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id BAF2C9BF63; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:19:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03C69BD84; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:18:52 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="cZXGtay1"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 82F059BD84; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:18:49 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f171.google.com (mail-qk1-f171.google.com [209.85.222.171]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34A6D9BC77 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:18:48 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f171.google.com with SMTP id s22so2459480qkj.12 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:18:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6MQM54GiOM+GV/C3hHE7LFoJaAcC4RS8tGGLuICsnmE=; b=cZXGtay1KLjzfjgdWknpo5INcQVxzb8BXKYwwgZM/etY9EQTAx01UzJ0QoQ/Jjq7D3 UBHOkStJw+f+F9WVYmht/6pQBp83ym+FQMuCHkYVuSRKPcN8e49CQa9saQhP7rtbC8y1 1BVFvBRixiXdrHk2elr9hG6aSWfocZzs7Ke5jj4qSlljWYKwLOPXZlrfl6rkb57ZM48z 00bAjU3vaoTTxQKtqL1dgG0U75qOzlSw0EeYXKSD5onqou6X8RCAPL+ZCMrOopznFqQg KzsA0yoiph8H6zB43qPCcuGd3krNthPvysb/CsjF0dToTamNblHzono9yNLUckKVFyvj 4dbg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6MQM54GiOM+GV/C3hHE7LFoJaAcC4RS8tGGLuICsnmE=; b=BIx8BpWOtZxC7yb1UMDrB/7SD7P3YXrjDoEjVJpnjYoliAzEFPnzhjduk05mqKcR1T M5nZZz9E61v1GAY5GHrtprsjGkrHFO46l2eVGGwimOVoINMRkxW5rtNwmhlcHKcEWQ/y IyRY7eH78iKYk9EHKxxSS20ut4UKvw+2zcYrBWkgn7+7r9I5pYsF/LtWt1xA8P/gGwah Xox+8buZh/klNf7oPeAeXuHwbPm2rdjRY/kVm/+yOGt9bVwCTSmsV3I2LdDvKXc40WuW vPizXq2vSyRpzhOnVpjgKFDDMblaxBNTz/jBqb59SZyjz7CBshnVYC9dNrTdlXpTcPKB mfoA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWMN3YqX3d8qw7g8AvzXZjfkA+a+czMog8myYL6Xim/3/ftP5Sf 4Zfkty88neaMX9zoF4Ic0rIgXw/IfBxvNQCka+7piQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxvrhEKN31o45DYIHm5deSLpM1UsMkUydiiDnu5T0nwP5WrAJBWwFrAtonq6TpWKGLz8a1E4XaJ2rzftIYACQk= X-Received: by 2002:a37:9307:: with SMTP id v7mr5079486qkd.495.1561573127215; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:18:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5df8c6f6-2768-4bfb-9c47-3345098078a7@PU1APC01FT048.eop-APC01.prod.protection.outlook.com> <20190625000630.GA7655@mcvoy.com> <20190625003120.GA28608@mit.edu> <20190625004523.GB7655@mcvoy.com> <20190626024503.GA43970@wopr> <20190626025646.GR925@mcvoy.com> <20190626151143.GC3116@mit.edu> <20190626174431.GT925@mcvoy.com> <201906261801.x5QI1Ghs028659@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <201906261801.x5QI1Ghs028659@freefriends.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:18:36 -0600 Message-ID: To: arnold@skeeve.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000089f056058c3e13eb" Subject: Re: [TUHS] CMU Mach sources? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000089f056058c3e13eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 12:01 PM wrote: > This is getting a little off topic ... > > There are still lots of motivated people. I found for myself that > working on security products is very motivating; you're developing > something > that people really NEED, that protects them and their assets, and > it's IMPORTANT, not just adding another shiny gadget onto Word or > whatever. > > So, do I care about code quality? Very much. My workplace does too. > > That said, work/life balance is a real issue. I work to feed my family > and keep a roof over their heads. Of course I want to enjoy my work > and feel value from it, but out of necessity I've spent a lot of time > where it wasn't so good. I'm fortunate that today it's good on both > ends. :-) > For me, work life balance dictates WHEN I do the work, not the work that I do. Warner --00000000000089f056058c3e13eb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 12:01 PM <= arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
This is getting a lit= tle off topic ...

There are still lots of motivated people. I found for myself that
working on security products is very motivating; you're developing some= thing
that people really NEED, that protects them and their assets, and
it's IMPORTANT, not just adding another shiny gadget onto Word or
whatever.

So, do I care about code quality? Very much. My workplace does too.

That said, work/life balance is a real issue. I work to feed my family
and keep a roof over their heads.=C2=A0 Of course I want to enjoy my work and feel value from it, but out of necessity I've spent a lot of time where it wasn't so good. I'm fortunate that today it's good on = both
ends. :-)

For me, work life balance dic= tates WHEN I do the work, not the work that I do.

= Warner=C2=A0
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