From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 6388 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2023 23:59:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 31 Dec 2023 23:59:59 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD90943EA2; Mon, 1 Jan 2024 09:59:54 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-lf1-x135.google.com (mail-lf1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::135]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D108243EA1 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2024 09:59:47 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-lf1-x135.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-50e7c6f0487so5075356e87.3 for ; Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:59:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1704067186; x=1704671986; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=VtVI5BhrGb3LKpMjkIv3zNdrZltfdmZ8zz9MqiCas1A=; b=O/La0wJvYqLHI3MViDY3AFAmxq7Bkk0GUjGsYJCKRBkM21kQaAB6yvDY0zhGR59z/c Ky5sqh6dsOkz/lTa9U7LBXIXvV9Hr+WSnmob4je+f2AjUWFhEws121anB5N7NpVw97GJ c6+sQX9FmgbwEHLa0U3H33Hd/vKl0j+vlwRRntJQrmjuR79FKOF9a1UXbEH7jZfa4w7o V01ACSDJO4iw7zz7MPKPSTobeVX+5bFYUNbwzjsieKFCD7aXI2tdKbe/kaSGrL+yymU3 apCwwACoprVMTwcZkribT1rhbKwZfKJ0lfnXUCciangnO5LL7nPULQ9XkSjMrK80Er2m J2Nw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1704067186; x=1704671986; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=VtVI5BhrGb3LKpMjkIv3zNdrZltfdmZ8zz9MqiCas1A=; b=JAQWiiyDfyppBq1aRqpKeS3ssIpMLmjVBAj0iigv3CTxHKevYDK+6wECTDM3OusnQ1 5QfhHoUivVrgq/6GYgKmMNbuV+TG0jeouV9ApE0ART39Xs1Mo+FY+qRlWZIt/MNXnRqZ 9hnh09MmMCkEUBp7EAvFwWHa7wBdNcyjLlwE95ZjwTM1vZ2NB7O8j8BfUCEYFvYamDtq 5Y8/tUKRXER0HU/HCH3Lm4RBsLWNIUJQ7rkXygpXDVf/fNuwjwny6m2Gj6vSOI30DYHN 4+Gya83xKz+PhHK1wTbw17ljHDIvyXd6yP04wO5PlCsxdkAFLraUGFydvlvbm4594VCr ZuLw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yyx7e77/R7U0MpyTdSg98ayAzZdaOBp2Sg8TrNiFOu6WqB4Y5+C j8LiADolZOY75SfExHzVyPnwPHUuTvupGgF4p6EOmk5ksOZYJ4/SIhaMiJC5WNY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEpFSACXJ6qMPP/mdJndVikpoMRrg9OKW5XsebD1XacjwTLjWU98GPiZboPL4Wp2Y50RzWqYcKBi0kthpLwW+s= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:39d3:b0:50e:848b:8191 with SMTP id k19-20020a05651239d300b0050e848b8191mr2742667lfu.165.1704067185640; Sun, 31 Dec 2023 15:59:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20231231230615.GE19322@mcvoy.com> <202312312308.3BVN8aQ5052682@ultimate.com> <20231231233756.jgyx4pzptucv5kav@illithid> In-Reply-To: <20231231233756.jgyx4pzptucv5kav@illithid> From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 16:59:34 -0700 Message-ID: To: "G. Branden Robinson" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004617d7060dd70f6f" Message-ID-Hash: 2JDLVQRLHDPOJUYRQZPXJA5XGQXBYTWF X-Message-ID-Hash: 2JDLVQRLHDPOJUYRQZPXJA5XGQXBYTWF X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Question about BSD disklabel history List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --0000000000004617d7060dd70f6f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 31, 2023, 4:38=E2=80=AFPM G. Branden Robinson < g.branden.robinson@gmail.com> wrote: > At 2023-12-31T15:06:15-0800, Larry McVoy wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 04:46:49PM -0600, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > > At 2023-12-31T16:31:00-0500, Clem Cole wrote: > > > > But the key is that it ran on 68K's. > > > > > > I don't think that's the case. > > > > OpenFirmware is Mitch Bradley's baby. I believe it ran on 68k Suns, > > there was some sort of boot prom there. > > At 2023-12-31T18:08:36-0500, Phil Budne wrote: > > OF had its origin in Sun OpenBoot PROM (OBP), which, ISTR, first > > appeared in the SPARCstation 1 (sun4c kernel arch) along with SBus. > > Earlier (VME) based SPARC (sun4 kernel arch) systems had only a Sun-3 > > like boot PROM (single letter commands, no Forth). > > Thanks for the clarifications, gentlemen. My first Sun experience was a > SPARC IPC--a bunch of them, actually, in a "freshman engineering lab"... > The Sun 3 systems had a similar interface (L1/a etc) but no 4th and a different set of ROMs. Warner Regards, > Branden > --0000000000004617d7060dd70f6f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Dec 31, 2023, 4:38=E2=80=AFPM G. Branden Robin= son <g.branden.robinson@= gmail.com> wrote:
At 2023-= 12-31T15:06:15-0800, Larry McVoy wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 04:46:49PM -0600, G. Branden Robinson wrote: > > At 2023-12-31T16:31:00-0500, Clem Cole wrote:
> > > But the key is that it ran on 68K's.
> >
> > I don't think that's the case.
>
> OpenFirmware is Mitch Bradley's baby.=C2=A0 I believe it ran on 68= k Suns,
> there was some sort of boot prom there.

At 2023-12-31T18:08:36-0500, Phil Budne wrote:
> OF had its origin in Sun OpenBoot PROM (OBP), which, ISTR, first
> appeared in the SPARCstation 1 (sun4c kernel arch) along with SBus. > Earlier (VME) based SPARC (sun4 kernel arch) systems had only a Sun-3<= br> > like boot PROM (single letter commands, no Forth).

Thanks for the clarifications, gentlemen.=C2=A0 My first Sun experience was= a
SPARC IPC--a bunch of them, actually, in a "freshman engineering lab&q= uot;...

The Sun 3 systems had a similar interface (L1/a etc) but no 4th and = a different set of ROMs.

Warner

Regards,
Branden
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