From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 18943 invoked from network); 29 Dec 2023 19:45:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (2600:3c01:e000:146::1) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Dec 2023 19:45:25 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE6043D4C; Sat, 30 Dec 2023 05:45:17 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ej1-x62b.google.com (mail-ej1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62b]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFF2443D4B for ; Sat, 30 Dec 2023 05:45:04 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ej1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a2768b78a9eso285040966b.0 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 11:45:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1703879102; x=1704483902; darn=tuhs.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=mZvrBpIL/rsfyCffcCFEb66nbiCpgg46hCh9dDR6BHY=; b=MtrTr3gn8Jf3QA/ZSCTn+GlGXwx1Kx+t4DP8sN6zXndtEMu+TPH3LvAZlQriQNwi+b XGoBh/GXIwCuOZ7gySblQjExRS0URxf4B8KpxDowWVXpMdFkWccScubJ9o8tk/11WdGh 8o9I5oajLiH1etwT82vQIgDmSPFhiq9bwXBm5ioF9BMjz0oe+5RLW6XyVlWkGuQY00yn 3O8H/0fuGjrakaQUbDXZ5j+UEOGoqFbaZ+XRyVm3ffV36HIqbwlNnZWCwbFN92dvEsUN hAp9/CfH3gFu/yXihmSVQYMj8eMjP3WBAbFKakzRDRP/v/nDt1nmkAMWp4nR8x86EFqx FqeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1703879102; x=1704483902; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=mZvrBpIL/rsfyCffcCFEb66nbiCpgg46hCh9dDR6BHY=; b=L6Hg6htrVU4VOlAV9qHfcR4t5r99aCOUD7qmZfgkewfJk9uchLdMxgd1o/7nSYKmmp vW3DKLAWzyZNIvxy431bFTkW9g001wHoJ1WurcmDGdEYPCpL4ViTk7qg/MwNdI5p26MF UGYv4pZQn2zZ8UbRCXEhWIyLa00pzU+jMBcn7h56b+ty8NhD9feihESfZ//auFA1hjw7 tO0HVqM79scGnzpU5l1aNYeEOBRsOzIfAMU2t/yv8/l1U/0CE93/JWU+mkhzsBMUZ1AG A82ED94lv5Nktjpe0ywqKEh8XGoBIUY2J9Gp6G9xxomnYinxksBMbsA15hI3u7XRZnll ipQw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwnsBRb7/31qBK5voX+a5OHgmQyCAEVJuF7S8UZufX3/2GyhzUH 1v1Q6Ag0/nD54UoBkB/1sWYy7HggZGUi04Z+rQ8zGtcdB30maA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFWL/srlka0gii0zlF12EZuXS0VjKZAzjuBbbiR4rf+V0U5k1WMTJNxjQOs6e8llRhqlHmooSNPx7EE6N7JYW0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:2dd:b0:a23:1b07:5c1b with SMTP id 29-20020a17090602dd00b00a231b075c1bmr12628495ejk.10.1703879101768; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 11:45:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 12:44:50 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jonathan Gray Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000099f587060dab44bb" Message-ID-Hash: P2HNP3Q44JIVYZZTJ75F5OQTM646BX3A X-Message-ID-Hash: P2HNP3Q44JIVYZZTJ75F5OQTM646BX3A X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: segaloco , The Eunuchs Hysterical Society X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: Early 70's WECo "Turnkey Systems"? Re: S.S. Pirzada UNIX Paper List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --00000000000099f587060dab44bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 29, 2023, 12:29=E2=80=AFAM Jonathan Gray wrote: > On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 06:30:28AM +0000, segaloco via TUHS wrote: > > In S.S. Pirzada's 1988 paper[1], page 35, section 3.3.2, he writes: > > > > "Some operating telephone companies and the switching control center > > system (SCCS) group in Holmdel, NJ decided to use UNIX to collect > > maintenance data from their switches and for administration purposes. > > Other departments also started building applications on top of UNIX, > > some part of turnkey systems licensed by Western Electric (WECo)." > > > > This is describing the situation before the establishment of USG > > in September 1973. I'm curious, does anyone recall what some of > > these pre-USG WECo "turnkey systems" were? > > Perhaps a reference to COSNIX/COSMOS? > > described by Henry Spencer in > https://www.tuhs.org/Usenet/comp.unix.wizards/1985-May/002932.html > > and by Alan E. Kaplan in > "A History of the COSNIX Operating System: Assembly Language Unix 1971 > to July, 1991." USENIX Winter 1992 Technical Conference, pp. 429-437 > > https://archive.org/details/winter92_usenix_technical_conf/page/428/mode/= 2up Nice finds. I thought I'd found all the papers on early unix... and i had no idea of this one. Thanks. Warner Warner > > --00000000000099f587060dab44bb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Fri, Dec 29, 2023, 12:29=E2=80=AFAM Jonathan Gray &= lt;jsg@jsg.id.au> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 06:30:28AM +0000, seg= aloco via TUHS wrote:
> In S.S. Pirzada's 1988 paper[1], page 35, section 3.3.2, he writes= :
>
> "Some operating telephone companies and the switching control cen= ter
> system (SCCS) group in Holmdel, NJ decided to use UNIX to collect
> maintenance data from their switches and for administration purposes.<= br> > Other departments also started building applications on top of UNIX, > some part of turnkey systems licensed by Western Electric (WECo)."= ;
>
> This is describing the situation before the establishment of USG
> in September 1973.=C2=A0 I'm curious, does anyone recall what some= of
> these pre-USG WECo "turnkey systems" were?

Perhaps a reference to COSNIX/COSMOS?

described by Henry Spencer in
https://www.tuhs.org/Us= enet/comp.unix.wizards/1985-May/002932.html

and by Alan E. Kaplan in
"A History of the COSNIX Operating System: Assembly Language Unix 1971=
to July, 1991." USENIX Winter 1992 Technical Conference, pp. 429-437 https://archi= ve.org/details/winter92_usenix_technical_conf/page/428/mode/2up

Nice finds. = I thought I'd found all the papers on early unix... and i had no idea o= f this one. Thanks.=C2=A0

Warner=C2=A0

Warner=C2= =A0

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