From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: (qmail 5870 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2020 17:33:05 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (minnie.tuhs.org: domain of minnie.tuhs.org designates 45.79.103.53 as permitted sender) receiver=inbox.vuxu.org; client-ip=45.79.103.53 envelope-from= Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with UTF8ESMTPZ; 4 Apr 2020 17:33:05 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 951879C623; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 03:33:00 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA0A9C203; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 03:32:34 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="TW61gxy2"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id D18799C203; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 03:32:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f170.google.com (mail-qk1-f170.google.com [209.85.222.170]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F3BC29C14A for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2020 03:32:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f170.google.com with SMTP id j4so11609211qkc.11 for ; Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:32:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=poWtD9aZo/jU2Di6oZ77mC0QFCHFYrezJxgoeV2xtNk=; b=TW61gxy2t4Dip/Vk0DFMBgw3/ygEe957RmiY6fjlitgR9QDT7FocY/IFssp/DjFrhi O7fUYpbyYW3DN5CBBEtefVUeRAxzAsLtjN4e0Rz/dMToRUW/K9uapApgSfrTBxU4B2YO xrliawLc5k6hy+VbIF6XSyDgrLXjQ7kYlxblWoksejUps69TRsJQijpaWsf8WJT6OVhL NQTbXq//ZXPd0xRgDqe0TS5clf3YhAIIjpMiI55Grl+54dIWTMHwNt+61mk0MOh0cnHl tt4vflVrT7qFFnhO3gGTPbUyyyLZYhqzTtZz8sG6lvINn/0DfDWl8c/8gVgI3AAqnPli ABzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=poWtD9aZo/jU2Di6oZ77mC0QFCHFYrezJxgoeV2xtNk=; b=GMHlQOyKCjXuUWuzJLF9PquJ+sWfzk1ei6jpbmO9s/ISQf68ZElybVkBUiEcvmsafL vOyoEU6ld0tng9Gbj/+cM3QeV1N0tyY8nNHB5t7/gTVhrYRoarjlLLmxQqFUutik0cU5 MpW8h2yOrf7TJ3tXRPqPafX8L15MU5nss9bf2+SqHEh0AlTQR2L1eS/B0Cw1t3qy7BlI paTSuS4VK3M9TbuX499CSD6B2X5VSy9sHQ8QUVvcyZNODLG6QkW+1Y5d7ui137AiZ+qs yZnUfxM3MIo+U5NNHU4oqMk7y8j4MrhN/1p0d9hUdWGsIBjNnrCzl9DIIEEReXclHIt9 SGEw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuamwK+8vkjEQIuVkvE+5cFCGNcoyDPJTR11GAdvThp7prqlylrQ PA+Bga02SB/wPYF9XnLqVClaAX+xaZsekeCWEJloB3TL X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypJRFuAZGwazGUVKKBFG2P/uJHjljquJ/7+Kpf9kLGIPL0pgE+R8BD/UfkD4jcRq53eimKj0JVLI3OCRpPTM3ww= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:10a8:: with SMTP id h8mr14648041qkk.215.1586021549892; Sat, 04 Apr 2020 10:32:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1jKkMQ-2hN-00@marmaro.de> In-Reply-To: <1jKkMQ-2hN-00@marmaro.de> From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 11:32:17 -0600 Message-ID: To: markus schnalke Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001677b305a27a6b5a" Subject: Re: [TUHS] First book on Unix for general readership X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --0000000000001677b305a27a6b5a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 9:19 AM markus schnalke wrote: > Hoi, > > found on Wikipedia: > > As well as the Bourne shell, he wrote the adb debugger > and The UNIX System, the second book on the UNIX system, > intended for a general readership. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_R._Bourne > > Thus I now wonder what the first book on Unix, intended for a > general readership was. > > Bourne's book was published 1983. > > (``The UNIX Programming Environment'' was published 1984.) > > > Was it Banahan and Rutter's ``UNIX -- the Book''? It says 1982. > > Could anyone share some background on that one? (The authors were > from Bradford University.) > > I only have the German translation by Axel T. Schreiner, dated > 1984. Haven't read the English original, but Schreiner's version > definitely is worth to read (if you speak German). He added lots > of footnotes, and it becomes apparent that he knows the system > better than the authors. ;-) > > > I'd like to get an understanding of the books in relation to each > other. How does the Banahan/Rutter book fit into the picture? Why > didn't Bell Labs write a user's book earlier? Were Bourne's and > Kernighan/Pike's books reactions to it? > All good questions. I just bought both of these 9n ebay (there are several copies available for <$10 so I didn't feel bad about sniping a rarity from others in this group). But I don't know the back stories. Warner > meillo > --0000000000001677b305a27a6b5a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 9:19 AM markus schnalke <meillo@marmaro.de> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hoi,

found on Wikipedia:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 As well as the Bourne shell, he wrote the adb d= ebugger
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 and The UNIX System, the second book on the UNI= X system,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 intended for a general readership.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_R._B= ourne

Thus I now wonder what the first book on Unix, intended for a
general readership was.

Bourne's book was published 1983.

(``The UNIX Programming Environment'' was published 1984.)


Was it Banahan and Rutter's ``UNIX -- the Book''? It says 1982.=

Could anyone share some background on that one? (The authors were
from Bradford University.)

I only have the German translation by Axel T. Schreiner, dated
1984. Haven't read the English original, but Schreiner's version definitely is worth to read (if you speak German). He added lots
of footnotes, and it becomes apparent that he knows the system
better than the authors. ;-)


I'd like to get an understanding of the books in relation to each
other. How does the Banahan/Rutter book fit into the picture? Why
didn't Bell Labs write a user's book earlier? Were Bourne's and=
Kernighan/Pike's books reactions to it?

All good questions. I just bough= t both of these 9n ebay (there are several copies available for <$10=C2=A0so I didn't feel bad about sniping a rar= ity from others in this group).

But I don't know the back stories.
Warner=C2=A0


meillo
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