From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (minnie.tuhs.org [45.79.103.53]) by inbox.vuxu.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 2ef7178d for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 15:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 423C1A203F; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:27:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27ACDA1C5C; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:26:44 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="sqNe1+9+"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id CCFE9A1C5C; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:26:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qt1-f174.google.com (mail-qt1-f174.google.com [209.85.160.174]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE08DA1C50 for ; Sun, 6 Jan 2019 01:26:41 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qt1-f174.google.com with SMTP id t13so43467886qtn.3 for ; Sat, 05 Jan 2019 07:26:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MhCcCn8WT5p2++27mtbbwiawVFKb8cmsT1sYS6JmxyY=; b=sqNe1+9+ltGwdBqqpu7ra7EMyKt7THHEeRjdiq+Nn7d3rRqwRaUbOgwcM87aLYV7Sl HMRhvT/jruBXeWcWIhXYWdF7bi++Ua5TefrUC8H7sb3M9TwerjWCcS+D49DWm8c0uYZb Qwgtc5/2mjh4F6diGHWQJK7B6sidRirEp37I+JdjBdDFLsjBUvAeT8Lc0DhNR83Le7fD 9AgpODUNlC1FFamqJiaRGzjQfTqLw7I9f4Ah7px+yRdeIeWjWGLt2oQBPw2PyG2p00wM kAtJyGM+wgVDhJdG+EonjGKpFA3vg/6m7z8A1B3CUxa3SPAEfWg7An+gcif5x3qW59GR 3OMw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MhCcCn8WT5p2++27mtbbwiawVFKb8cmsT1sYS6JmxyY=; b=BXXJNsz5kg4zpARE8dFDLvqfQFvm66oyVTHDCPkFG3RqyYm/w9BEfniitWKpCu3WTM 3rrxvD78qSEG49WHwTGsWPmrdYku0pbbaot8kxWIUZC0MRFnwIy7fir71FWNE8Kaja2S 9g2vwyOBfAnC3Hkb52chlSqvzRdPQNeM8RdTV22DIteDIk6OHRlBAaxCzD8nTGJZqyhb zbQ4IPaDkpy/MBFhXeq5/90ftYY37j5tEimndC9DsG/OJC10koUTiCmuJjU2ViVfZs3b f8mSnQuo8zqEdkNvj2fi/UWcM0Yek5goiSOSrbo0OY+RrtrOk7Qy0fhJDxYpBj7r8uQi 1dKQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJcUukdeBYEjQbiGYV+SFFQhvKeXE7uPbvpI1jeFjdeTi3qjys3vMp46 /3jjJlO62CD5GEkG+N7QiHbhOiS9+63tnbY6e5GWuQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ALg8bN6KGY3eEqAVoNG1D/VFOM9j+gbNCbh9JyFYOgwog/aupPxd404E8YfkD8RyGk3Nq9reTf3IuAYlKW5HkhOzZnI= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:f143:: with SMTP id y3mr55446051qvl.21.1546702000923; Sat, 05 Jan 2019 07:26:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190105143031.85F3018C0B6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 08:26:29 -0700 Message-ID: To: Ed Carp Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000056c07b057eb79f47" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Isaacson v Unix X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society , Noel Chiappa Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --00000000000056c07b057eb79f47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 8:04 AM Ed Carp wrote: > > I looked, and it too says next to nothing about Unix (which it describes > as a > > "programming language" - pg. 346). Oh well. > > Pretty funny, or sad, depending on your viewpoint! > > > This is really a pretty serious omission, given that the vast majority of > > mobile devices now run Android, which is a Unix derivative (Linux). So > just > > about everyone has a Unix-derived thing in their pocket. > > To hear some people talk, everything started with Linux, and Torvalds > is a god. Nonsense. > > Even iOS and MacOS are derived from BSD, I believe. I know that MacOS > is (or has been until relatively recently, at any rate) derived from > BSD. > MacOS X is derived from BSD + Mach VM, with lots of infusions from BSD and other projects. iOS is derived from MacOS. Warner > On 1/5/19, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > >> From: Doug McIlroy > > > > >> I have heard also that Isaacson's "Idea Factory" (about Bell Labs) > > > > > Did you mean the work of this title by Jon Gertner? (I have yet to > > pull > > > down my copy to see what it says about Unix > > > > I looked, and it too says next to nothing about Unix (which it describes > as > > a > > "programming language" - pg. 346). Oh well. > > > > This is really a pretty serious omission, given that the vast majority of > > mobile devices now run Android, which is a Unix derivative (Linux). So > just > > about everyone has a Unix-derived thing in their pocket. > > > > Noel > > > --00000000000056c07b057eb79f47 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 8:04 AM Ed Carp <erc@pobox.com> wrote:
> I looked, and it too says next to not= hing about Unix (which it describes as a
> "programming language" - pg. 346). Oh well.

Pretty funny, or sad, depending on your viewpoint!

> This is really a pretty serious omission, given that the vast majority= of
> mobile devices now run Android, which is a Unix derivative (Linux). So= just
> about everyone has a Unix-derived thing in their pocket.

To hear some people talk, everything started with Linux, and Torvalds
is a god. Nonsense.

Even iOS and MacOS are derived from BSD, I believe. I know that MacOS
is (or has been until relatively recently, at any rate) derived from
BSD.

MacOS X is derived from BSD=C2=A0+= Mach VM, with lots of infusions from BSD and other projects. iOS is derive= d from MacOS.

Warner
=C2=A0
On 1/5/19, Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> From: Doug McIlroy
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>> I have heard also that Isaacson's &quo= t;Idea Factory" (about Bell Labs)
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Did you mean the work of this title by Jon Ger= tner? (I have yet to
> pull
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> down my copy to see what it says about Unix >
> I looked, and it too says next to nothing about Unix (which it describ= es as
> a
> "programming language" - pg. 346). Oh well.
>
> This is really a pretty serious omission, given that the vast majority= of
> mobile devices now run Android, which is a Unix derivative (Linux). So= just
> about everyone has a Unix-derived thing in their pocket.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Noel
>
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