From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26931 invoked from network); 19 Jan 2023 15:21:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (50.116.15.146) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Jan 2023 15:21:16 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2532E4246D; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:21:11 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-ej1-f49.google.com (mail-ej1-f49.google.com [209.85.218.49]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C49FD4245D for ; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 01:21:03 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-ej1-f49.google.com with SMTP id mg12so6552975ejc.5 for ; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 07:21:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=OpPh4uUXamlrqCaPn9xCJgrDrm90hmi8mAEKSbFMh8A=; b=JA47mbDN/Bwg7cQjvWn7ppupP/fxC+gE1238o58pvrXbq2zvPPkJc0NMwo3HCwkRj4 egfCqlg9eYo8SpiGPMIyGrFYk6gCApsqKsGrfdQLUjiMdzyd+Nxr7Wv6hbTAcK4HCdfD szv2al455oiyy6WLayYAtL3of89YlMQqi18WsAfqI0MjHzQnFcDXmmfAnN99crdEJH2y lHiwG4QI26HXnxB14NF+YDYK3auLS3ytK81pJF98qwWXTc6J074oJRMan+eTJeQIcRGG 3IwhFqKesGddmX7fZwynZP8/xASt5JqVdnbOeP5mqQlSW6A40JCvZvLC+X3mI9kDKlIU qsqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=OpPh4uUXamlrqCaPn9xCJgrDrm90hmi8mAEKSbFMh8A=; b=PFTJ8UF57KJ+v3aqpzrXX9LFEW1VN1QsPynNV4F+Alqd1R/L8dYYU3UQNncokiwkny 7upP6xfLSQmAU3MVi1BIKa9eMtwSCnhYFDdWLJQA+ZXctd5s96pbioGzSrT3AWQtF5RS QpD9ZI8br2FNbMUvvRugULze1UW0kdznjiL3dc/HPry/7rXVAKBlvPQFzju0OAdfqlYO BnzJTt9CQ33wcgZOGSGfnd4cmQ8J9MnyZib31v1Nf1A/1Myg99Lzcc2tx1djgLS6skWk 3CGpRT8qUi+ElJIYonhwuhvtfpjuvZfi97hXrDFVJPvh+pENt2X2I6QFzd3G7t14Nd6X 62gQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AFqh2kpQqkjYTUhKq/VjNg9Eae8mb9pU3GhG1Uo8luwTbXaBDJ4VP0uj qNSOofp+7KauAAsda4iuAC7nPqs/emKF5OzJ/pN4XHzti8fwAA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMrXdXv2t66R4RFQtepDQJXtYMtg9ncBYYJNjMkal1EtH5dT+GEhot2XM8cuzrBs7N+U+Cch2gV6zfgDg5rZJyBh754= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:7d8f:b0:7c0:e0db:f136 with SMTP id v15-20020a1709067d8f00b007c0e0dbf136mr1031258ejo.333.1674141602180; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 07:20:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202301180943.30I9hrOw030485@freefriends.org> <202301181513.30IFDDUJ015224@freefriends.org> <20230118151446.GD2964@mcvoy.com> <202301190802.30J82KwQ025718@freefriends.org> <20230119150434.GA626@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20230119150434.GA626@mcvoy.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:20:16 -0700 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000809bd005f29f77ab" Message-ID-Hash: M3VRJCN2VE4KBYXLDQIETYWV2FUWEJSV X-Message-ID-Hash: M3VRJCN2VE4KBYXLDQIETYWV2FUWEJSV X-MailFrom: wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tuhs.tuhs.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: tuhs@tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.6b1 Precedence: list Subject: [TUHS] Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --000000000000809bd005f29f77ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 8:04 AM Larry McVoy wrote: > I had already been using Linux for a while by then I believe. I used > it before it had networking. > > Pretty early on I got to be friends with Linus and was really impressed > with his leadership. That's what sold me on Linux, he was the thing > that was missing in the BSD world. If someone like him had appeared > and unified the BSD world I think we'd all be running BSD. > By the time even 4.3BSD was released, there were dozens of people that could work on the kernel at a high level of skill. There was no one person who created it who could have the gravitas to pull that off. Let alone a decade later when it was freed up, by then there were hundreds. The dynamics of the situation were quite different: Linus always was in charge because he wrote the whole thing... BSD was a victim of it's own success in the 80s and 90s in a way... Warner > On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 01:02:20AM -0700, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > In hindsight, I agree. But at the time, Linux was less than > > five years old, and it wasn't so obvious. > > > > Larry McVoy wrote: > > > > > It makes perfect sense, it's a repeated story, commercial loses out > > > to free. > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 08:13:13AM -0700, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > > > Interestingly enough, Phil Hughes, who founded Linux Journal > > > > in the early 1990s, predicted that this would happen one day. > > > > This was in a private conversation we had. I thought he > > > > was crazy, but he was right. > > > > > > > > arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/17/unix_is_dead/ > > > > > > > > > > FYI. > > > > > > > > > > Arnold > > > > > > -- > > > --- > > > Larry McVoy Retired to fishing > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat > > -- > --- > Larry McVoy Retired to fishing > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat > --000000000000809bd005f29f77ab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 8:04 AM Larry= McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
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I had already been u= sing Linux for a while by then I believe.=C2=A0 I used
it before it had networking.

Pretty early on I got to be friends with Linus and was really impressed
with his leadership.=C2=A0 That's what sold me on Linux, he was the thi= ng
that was missing in the BSD world.=C2=A0 If someone like him had appeared and unified the BSD world I think we'd all be running BSD.

By the time even 4.3BSD was released, there were do= zens of people that could work on the kernel at a high level of skill. Ther= e was no one person who created it who could have the gravitas to pull that= off. Let alone a decade later when it was freed up, by then there were hun= dreds. The dynamics of the situation were quite different: Linus always was= in charge because he wrote the whole thing...=C2=A0 BSD was a victim of it= 's own success in the 80s and 90s in a way...

= Warner
=C2=A0
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 01:02:20AM -0700, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> In hindsight, I agree. But at the time, Linux was less than
> five years old, and it wasn't so obvious.
>
> Larry McVoy <lm@m= cvoy.com> wrote:
>
> > It makes perfect sense, it's a repeated story, commercial los= es out
> > to free.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 08:13:13AM -0700, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> > > Interestingly enough, Phil Hughes, who founded Linux Journal=
> > > in the early 1990s, predicted that this would happen one day= .
> > > This was in a private conversation we had.=C2=A0 I thought h= e
> > > was crazy, but he was right.
> > >
> > > arnol= d@skeeve.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > https://www.theregister.com/= 2023/01/17/unix_is_dead/
> > > >
> > > > FYI.
> > > >
> > > > Arnold
> >
> > --
> > ---
> > Larry McVoy=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Retired to fi= shing=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://www.mcvoy.com/lm/boat=

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