From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31463 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2020 16:14:09 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Jul 2020 16:14:09 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 566379CAB1; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 02:14:07 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F72E9CA02; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 02:13:38 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="D8Rlozx4"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9FD6E9C9E7; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 02:13:31 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qk1-f177.google.com (mail-qk1-f177.google.com [209.85.222.177]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAF919C9E4 for ; Fri, 31 Jul 2020 02:13:30 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f177.google.com with SMTP id l6so26088681qkc.6 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:13:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aJX6prN/w7ky0L4E2xYG3J7bChMxHwk8om4yx7jexSU=; b=D8Rlozx4XbpaTYZCElJTwOccWGAh3q2c/LXGQEJuu5OnOQV8y/cAml1Sn32G8GwGAF EgxXHQUD2UG5JsrGDMBFyky2eyTM8EG9nRNRVJ8eIBVOZC/y4B7Xrv2dYacDiL1lOoYu 5VitSAsiNE+fOfq1Fq439mGH7SuD3ujDo0wb9myksH/rmCLmKQfcxX3ATnnvnLBD38db J3zp5D1N1PDTMBTCey2FHsFaYF9JxGmcE99mWwA5TesqqsW5/5JUkQIvrJknPnCxWeF4 rU7l+Tf0fLfwqAPS3TTQPM87CCEFF4nVgHAot0Fq6ALm41mCp8VsfZ88f/PMMMBkBh+P NfYA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aJX6prN/w7ky0L4E2xYG3J7bChMxHwk8om4yx7jexSU=; b=BptOpguYAxRmvW4PWxeH3aNk5asmrOOihURD8UPdlWpLHCCO9pZcSw8SJXdRYtf23W FXYuSA9jXbpyGTd20YtLcWXBG+kUOtq1bGibW7fW4+0JejfB2Rrm7Ic/X+SXKTUDHMKd nAlv93Q3QU2xNLB/DgfMAomxQ5wi0YhdIkRfirxEbF+/cDwtFUGfsFcv/farCERKahKp SXNmH0zH7Gk+sXBFP5a3+SXaTmuK03ox8kvRYrvm/C5kTELhhVpHUpntFEetWPvzC1Tt awJXl1K67+4j5sGxjL8Z1vQcGYzAse3fcDy3YZhVZZFFyzmlUbMcbXhULbIg+jbTg4gy rFww== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531cuoka+r88qHvUdYHRQml/WUBsggOSMs64HAIMyuzZJ9HJgv0Y NFlji4SXh37LyCHLDC7jzxdRDMrJ7SgVUrzrIVY7YeOX X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxR/RJQqG+pmbsiLdPlq9/JlWYwFOBG+V2jGyHWkhhiZETp9xr/MJgfy/YIFqQ7JB+/1fW/pjivaGVRzqxuBsI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:110d:: with SMTP id o13mr39746281qkk.60.1596125609844; Thu, 30 Jul 2020 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200730134759.3833518C0F6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20200730134759.3833518C0F6@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:13:18 -0600 Message-ID: To: Noel Chiappa Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fdf83805abaaf34b" Subject: Re: [TUHS] Will pdp 11/04 run unix? X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000fdf83805abaaf34b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:49 AM Noel Chiappa wrote: > - If you get the V1 that ran on an -11/20 (which is mostly compatible with > the /04 and /05), it should run on an /04. (Not sure what you'd use for > mass > storage, on a physical /04, though.) I'm not sure when they dropped the > /20 - > I think V4 n(at the latest)? But V2 and V3 are lost. > Yes, the reconstructed 1st edition may run (though from dates and such, it's somewhere between 1st and 2nd edition), though I've no direct experience with 11/04 hardware, nor ideas on how to bootstrap it onto appropriate physical media... I have it in my head that the 4th edition was rewritten for the 11/45 and removed support for 11/20. I thought I knew why, but could only find part of the story in the manuals... There's a strong note in the 4th edition preface that it applies only to the 'c' version of Unix and the 3rd edition preface has a note saying the manual doesn't apply to the 11/20 version and to look in the 2nd or even 1st edition manuals for that. As others have mentioned, Mini-unix and/or LSX might have a shot, but it might be best characterized as a long shot. Warner --000000000000fdf83805abaaf34b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 7:49 AM Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrot= e:
- If you get the V1 that ran on an -11/20 (which is mostly co= mpatible with
the /04 and /05), it should run on an /04. (Not sure what you'd use for= mass
storage, on a physical /04, though.) I'm not sure when they dropped the= /20 -
I think V4 n(at the latest)? But V2 and V3 are lost.
<= br>
Yes, the reconstructed 1st edition may run (though from dates= and such, it's somewhere between 1st and 2nd edition), though I've= no direct experience=C2=A0with 11/04 hardware, nor ideas on how to bootstr= ap it onto appropriate physical media...

I have it= in my head that the 4th edition was rewritten for the 11/45 and removed su= pport for 11/20. I thought I knew why, but could only find part of the stor= y in the manuals...

There's a strong note in t= he 4th edition preface that it applies only to the 'c' version of U= nix and the 3rd edition preface=C2=A0has a note=C2=A0saying the manual does= n't apply to the 11/20 version and to look in the 2nd or even 1st editi= on manuals for that.

As others have mentioned, Min= i-unix and/or LSX might have a shot, but it might be best characterized as = a long shot.

Warner
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