From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 2792 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2021 18:39:43 -0000 Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (45.79.103.53) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 6 Jun 2021 18:39:43 -0000 Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id E9AA19C9F3; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:39:42 +1000 (AEST) Received: from minnie.tuhs.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A10F9C9DA; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:39:27 +1000 (AEST) Authentication-Results: minnie.tuhs.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.i=@bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.b="KC5gd3o5"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix, from userid 112) id 9E1149C9DA; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:39:26 +1000 (AEST) Received: from mail-qv1-f53.google.com (mail-qv1-f53.google.com [209.85.219.53]) by minnie.tuhs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9654A9C9D6 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 2021 04:39:25 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-qv1-f53.google.com with SMTP id im10so6869762qvb.3 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 11:39:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NQeyLg/E/02I4a0hDWLNJYkxl9xUAQzb/+94EYr09BE=; b=KC5gd3o5p7gzA/FK9E2euJQeGZe8XLx7PnPedHZzhUIDYVch301b4jEHG59VhIwUmR nBWbtSa0Q9IDTs8I3yAwBuaQ5iLhQuZUW6oqz/G9f9dGEApvaWkHcamUysNKz3rf2H3J KR7DAjW1MM29KH0W3gPgO8Mq+SyUGodN3ns6JNOiifeV8/25j6olPKZul5ttkisMaJiT Zd4IKFjkd4112vPHZDZaPbCh/JbYH4qq2t5DkWUsSy5lo2KM0e44XtPtZJfgyrz/TRQk ARi7VdljxR7aJw6cK6ByOsQCcvJxj05iehJhoYGbw6FDliO/No1ec+hcbsgk5yYPWPh2 irWg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NQeyLg/E/02I4a0hDWLNJYkxl9xUAQzb/+94EYr09BE=; b=H+g5FkQ1/iGbdcX1/18o41sDoVLNT8My74j81fSSLHqF1wXTFO94lgEuIwMOa+xJcw RWGazqu8IjQapCPuWjwWy1lLRkieWewOgYsxQ3+Dk3UHZjZ64luuN4f1yCa+VLqcVVRb uaRPZh21h0pCjmbo5Wc7mgHTZJDmZp2704tRf7tSDWBnnWEyysZvS0icWe3O213fdFDw npdV/ED0DeiNCMl0VxKLGrEKf0fKmNAfPtmZ6C5oUFOxKoUxIc4NDZ8R93Zdlt/sCUVu FKFhZJ0UVmMInIj+++xAtgTFroZg9yoNhy1Ur+MTM/7FhM1D3Jdkqia06av4/fjGkALx yZQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532NBvhcIH62REuYAgAmGR6vRouhu3jhYCbuHjGK+k4R8u4M9jE/ ohkeLhO87ZlQLYKvy436WmEDFfiL7CevlQC9u+Pqvg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxxwIJ3aOSwEVLVFwPNcBoWOliPIRktkhHcQYbSN/1XL1eAPKf01vZPTtOnwhnpobSZiTbMWR525w2vyXmoOzk= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:f542:: with SMTP id p2mr14450420qvm.24.1623004764579; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 11:39:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9CE2AC05-6B4E-475F-874F-426DD51A8859@planet.nl> <20210606183011.GA10697@mcvoy.com> In-Reply-To: <20210606183011.GA10697@mcvoy.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 12:39:12 -0600 Message-ID: To: Larry McVoy Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000763c4c05c41d3e38" Subject: Re: [TUHS] 32V memory management: not quite V7 style swapping -- source code update X-BeenThere: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: The Unix Heritage Society mailing list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: TUHS main list , Paul Ruizendaal Errors-To: tuhs-bounces@minnie.tuhs.org Sender: "TUHS" --000000000000763c4c05c41d3e38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Outside of Bell Labs the thing was "order the V32 tape. Never install it. Send copies of the license to Berkeley. Run 4BSD." Warner On Sun, Jun 6, 2021, 12:30 PM Larry McVoy wrote: > BSD had networking. Once you had that, you don't look back. Sys V (and > prior) so far as I know, didn't get networking until Coherent did their > STREAMS stack that somehow ended up at Lachman - I ported it to a crazy > super computer and to SCO Unix. SCO was pretty stock AT&T code and let > me tell you, it felt pretty crappy after having used BSD and then SunOS. > It was a giant step backwards. > > I just think the BSD folks were moving forward faster. Rob with start > talking about cat waving its tail, I get it, not everything was better > but a lot was. Solid networking that performed was very pleasant. > > On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 02:23:49PM -0400, Clem Cole wrote: > > Paul, > > > > You got me thinking and I'm curious if anyone really knows historically > how > > many sites ran a 32V system? In those days (late 70s/early 80s) the > > universities that knew and and even many sites inside the Bell System, > the > > Vaxen I ran 4.1BSD (say the Marx's brothers at Whippany along with the > Vax > > in the underseas research lab were we put the AP I did for my thesis). > > There were a couple in Summit I know, and probably Homdel and I'm > guessing > > in some of the operating companies, but I never got the feeling 32V was > > popular. The folks with Vaxen that I knew, if you were able to run BSD > > (4.1 and eventually 4.2), did. Later on the only non-'pure-joy' systems > I > > knew were a couple of Ultrix systems because they wanted the support from > > DEC and IIRC were using FORTRAN and wanted the DEC compiler which only > ran > > on Ultrix or VMS. Inside of AT&T, I personally think I knew more folks > > with VMS (Fortran being the key anchor) than those that ran 32V. > > ??? > > -- > --- > Larry McVoy lm at mcvoy.com > http://www.mcvoy.com/lm > --000000000000763c4c05c41d3e38 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Outside of Bell Labs the thing was "order the V32 ta= pe. Never install it. Send copies of the license to Berkeley. Run 4BSD.&quo= t;

Warner

On Sun, Jun 6, = 2021, 12:30 PM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com= > wrote:
BSD had networking.= =C2=A0 Once you had that, you don't look back.=C2=A0 Sys V (and
prior) so far as I know, didn't get networking until Coherent did their=
STREAMS stack that somehow ended up at Lachman - I ported it to a crazy
super computer and to SCO Unix.=C2=A0 SCO was pretty stock AT&T code an= d let
me tell you, it felt pretty crappy after having used BSD and then SunOS. It was a giant step backwards.

I just think the BSD folks were moving forward faster.=C2=A0 Rob with start=
talking about cat waving its tail, I get it, not everything was better
but a lot was.=C2=A0 Solid networking that performed was very pleasant.

On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 02:23:49PM -0400, Clem Cole wrote:
> Paul,
>
> You got me thinking and I'm curious if anyone really knows histori= cally how
> many sites ran a 32V system?=C2=A0 =C2=A0In those days (late 70s/early= 80s) the
> universities that knew and and even many sites inside the Bell System,= the
> Vaxen I ran 4.1BSD (say the Marx's brothers at Whippany along with= the Vax
> in the underseas research lab were we put the AP I did for my thesis).=
> There were a couple in Summit I know, and probably Homdel and I'm = guessing
> in some of the operating companies, but I never got the feeling 32V wa= s
> popular.=C2=A0 The folks with Vaxen that I knew, if you were able to r= un BSD
> (4.1 and eventually 4.2), did.=C2=A0 Later on the only non-'pure-j= oy' systems I
> knew were a couple of Ultrix systems because they wanted the support f= rom
> DEC and IIRC were using FORTRAN and wanted the DEC compiler which only= ran
> on Ultrix or VMS.=C2=A0 Inside of AT&T, I personally think I knew = more folks
> with VMS (Fortran being the key anchor)=C2=A0 than those that ran 32V.=
> ???

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